RCP’s Public Response to 9 Letters and This Kasama Site
Posted by Mike E on February 11, 2008
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The following statement was published in Revolution newspaper (#120, February 17, 2008). There will be more to say about the method and content of this response-without-a-response to the “9 Letters to Our Comrades: Getting Beyond Avakian’s Synthesis.” But for now, here it is.
A Matter of Basic Orientation — a Message from the Revolutionary Communist Party
“I heard you, you booed.”
Bob Dylan, back in the day, responding with dismissive sarcasm to those at a concert who screamed at him for “going electric,”
rather than remaining within the orthodox confines of “folk music.”
* * * *
Some people have nothing better to do than to try to tear down those who are seeking to bring something radically different and new into being.
The sole purpose of our Party is to lead the masses of people in realizing their highest and most fundamental interests, to make revolution and to contribute to the cause of communism throughout the world—to be emancipators of humanity. For this reason, the focus of our attention and efforts is, and will remain, on systematically putting forward and carrying out—among the basic masses who are objectively in the most desperate need of revolution, and among all other sections of the people—the most advanced understanding we have of revolution and communism, as both a political strategy and program and as a living scientific theory, particularly as this is embodied in the line of our Party and the body of work and method and approach of our Chairman, Bob Avakian.
But in this country today there are some people who have sunk to the point where they can do nothing more than act as “parasitic critics” in relation to our revolutionary role and work—having themselves nothing positive to offer in terms of achieving a radical alternative to the monstrous system we live under, having no defining or unifying mission other than seeking to sabotage our efforts to bring such a radical alternative into being.
Of course, there are people who have honest differences with our outlook and objectives—and that is one thing. Our orientation in that case is to welcome and to seek out dialogue and principled struggle over these differences. But it is quite another thing when what is involved are completely dishonest and unprincipled attacks, including crude distortions of our views, aims, and methods. We recognize that the more we carry forward with our revolutionary work, and the more we make advances on the revolutionary road, the more we will be subjected to such attacks, not only from open reactionaries but also from some others who may call themselves progressive, or in some cases even claim to be “communist,” but who apparently can’t stand the fact that we are determined to actually be, and to carry out our responsibilities as, a revolutionary communist vanguard party, and not to degenerate into yet another revisionist (phony communist) knife in the back of the oppressed. We expect such attacks from those who have rejected—or who have in reality abandoned—the goal of radically remaking the world, and so feel compelled to try to tear down our Party, since we continue to act on the scientifically based understanding that such a radical transformation of the world is not only necessary but possible.
We recognize that our Party is seen as an obstacle by some who fear that their own narrow aims and petty concerns will be exposed and undermined by the reality that we have refused to give up on the goal of revolution, that we are—not only in name but in fact—continuing to approach everything from the point of view of how to finally make revolution and really advance toward a communist world, rather than accepting the world as it is and seeking, at most, to bring about some paltry reforms within the confines of the existing system—a system of horrors for the masses of people in this country and the overwhelming majority of humanity. Even—or we should say especially—when this bowing down to the “existing realities” is done in the guise of (and as a grotesque distortion of) “communism,” or in the name of “the masses” and in the form of tailing the masses, it amounts to nothing less than accommodation—and in fact abject capitulation—to imperialism, with all its horrors, and to betrayal of the masses of people upon whom those horrors are visited.
In keeping with our basic principles and methods, we will examine and seek to draw whatever lessons can be learned from even the most unprincipled opportunist attacks. In some cases, we may respond to such an attack—particularly where we believe it can serve as a useful “teacher by negative example,” and refuting it will enable people to get a sharper and deeper sense of the correct, revolutionary and communist, ideological and political line, in opposition to opportunist lines of various kinds, and to understand more clearly where these opposing lines will lead and with what consequences for the masses of people. But we will not allow such attacks to deter us or divert us from our fundamental purposes and aims, nor do we believe that it is necessary to answer every such attack in order to clarify what is, in reality, the line and the work of our Party. Those who are genuinely interested in learning about our Party are more than welcome, and indeed are encouraged, to read Revolution and other publications of our Party, to dig into the body of work of Bob Avakian, to attend public presentations and discussions of our line, and in general to engage with our Party and its viewpoint, aims, and practice.






Jaroslav said
A longstanding tradition of the ICM — one which has been seen applied many times in the pages of AWTW — is to publish not just one’s critique, but also that which it is a critique of alongside it. Instead, the RCPUSA doesn’t even mention who or what they’re responding to, where to find it, etc. If throwing out this tradition of fair-minded debate is part of BA’s so-called ‘epistemological break’, then I’m glad I have no part of it.
Maz said
I read that this morning and was seriously shocked. If that is their response to the 9 Letters then I am just bown away by how far the Party has sunk. Remember in BA’s autobiography where he talks about how a sign of the principled-ness of their Party and his leadership was how they responded with careful public arguments to their splits? This is unbelievable. I wonder though, is there a chance that this refers to the Boston Globe article, and not to the 9 Letters? Surely they had to know the implications of such a statement given the current context though.
Maz said
Christ, who am I kidding? Not even me anymore. The response even mentions people “who claim to be ‘communist’”, so the intention is clear. The fact that the 9 Letters are being lumped in by implication with the method of the Boston Globe sniping is even more outrageous. This actually makes me sad. Oddly enough though, this response helps settle the debate for me. The whole situation reminds me of a comrade, a very good friend of mine, who was such a bright light. He took serve the people to heart, was selfless, and full of energy. Always there to stay up late to get a pamphlet ready for the next day, always keen to hit the streets and talk to the masses. Then, over a year, he just got demoralized bit by bit and broke down to inactivity and being apolitical. Just a sad, unfortunate waste.
Rosa Harris said
If it had been the Boston Globe article that they were responding to then there is no doubt that they would have made it very clear within the body of the article since, obviously, they have no problem mentioning the Boston Globe article here – http://revcom.us/a/120/boston-globe-response-en.html
This article posted above seems to very consciously avoid mentioning who they are talking about specifically. It seems to me, obviously directed at us.
To give an example – we have heard this before a few times on this site worded one way or another-
“But it is quite another thing when what is involved are completely dishonest and unprincipled attacks, including crude distortions of our views, aims, and methods. We recognize that the more we carry forward with our revolutionary work, and the more we make advances on the revolutionary road, the more we will be subjected to such attacks, not only from open reactionaries but also from some others who may call themselves progressive, or in some cases even claim to be “communist,”…
Yet, we have not had any truly substantive response from the party formally or informally… and this article implies that such a response will not be made.
Rosa Harris
ShineThePath said
What seems interesting is the whole theme of the paper seems to defend Bob Avakian. The article on Leadership from 1995, the article on the Boston Globe, the one on Mobile Shaw.
The general theme seems to be, it is own unique language, “Appreciate Bob Avakian, there are enemies out there that want to stop him.”
Blackstone said
Basically, ShineThePath!
I agree, this whole response is basically any criticism against Bob Avakian is unwarranted, unprincipled or anti-communist.
I couldn’t believe my eyes.
zerohour said
The response sounds more like it had come from the Church of Scientology than from communists.
It is just a pointless ad hominem attack with no substance whatsoever. Besides challenging their critics’ motives, it goes on to re-affirm the Party’s self-image and reveals their seige mentality.
I agree with the last point: I also encourage people to read the literature and spend time with RCP supporters. They’ll find that it’s the Party that’s teaching by negative example.
zerohour said
Also, it’s bad enough Avakian compares himself to Lenin and Mao but now Dylan too?
Blackstone said
“Some people have nothing better to do than to try to tear down those who are seeking to bring something radically different and new into being.”
This sounds like you guys really hurt Bob’s feelings. It’s like he’s repeating something his mom told him after being criticized.
Ben Seattle said
When all else fails–wrap the red flag around yourself and claim that your critics are attacking the working class and its attempts to build its own party.
A totally generic biolerplate response that can be used in all times and conditions and against any and all critics.
What an altogether appropriate response from the RCP!
This is called the “treat your readers like mushrooms” method (ie: keep them in the dark and feed them bullshit).
This also shows that Avakian is afraid of the influence of his former editor.
Why issue such a cryptic response to criticism (that will leave most readers in the dark concerning the nature or source of the criticism) without explaining what he is responding to? Because by failing to link to Mike’s blog Avakian is sending a message to RCP supporters–that he does not think that Mike’s criticism is worth looking at. So don’t look. Or, in the words of the Wizard of Oz: “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain”.
Of course Avakian is making one criticism of Mike (and of us):
We have not yet created a revolutionary organization that is authentic–that is deserving of the respect, attention and loyalty of the working class.
This is not, of course, something that could be created overnight.
But such a task must be the central dream that guides and unites us.
It is easy to dismiss the clown Avakian.
What is not so easy–is to build the authentic alternative to the kind of cult he has built. And, in the long term, that must be our focus.
Pavel said
The title is interesting: “A Matter of Basic Orientation: A Message from the RCP.”
First vague reference to people who are “parasitic” and want to “tear down” all the good work of the party, then a statement of that RCP orientation:
“Our orientation in that case is to welcome and to seek out dialogue and principled struggle over these differences. But it is quite another thing when what is involved are completely dishonest and unprincipled attacks, including crude distortions of our views, aims, and methods.”
No examples, no names, no URLs. Just a message to readers that the party’s basic orientation in response to the 9 Letters and Kasama site is: We find these people dishonest, unprincipled and distorting. They have “narrow aims” and want to “accommodate to imperialism, with all its horrors…”
Seems like an expanded, public statement of the email Mike reported on Dec. 31. That presumably was circulated among party members and close supporters; maybe this is aimed at a broader circle. I imagine there are readers of Revolution still clueless about Kasama (or the Boston Globe article, for that matter) and that the party leadership isn’t interested in saying anything about them that might encourage readers to investigate.
Anyway this looks, initially at least, like an effort to make it clear to all interested that the party sees itself and its leader as unfairly under attack from a range of forces. Unfairly accused in particular of a “personality cult” (although notice the in-your-face republication of the 1995 “leadership resolutions”)… The veiled attack on Kasama, though, doesn’t mention the substantial critique of the cult.
On the other hand, the accompanying Revolution piece on Oppenheimer makes reference to the latter’s charge of a cult of personality. First the article slams Oppenheimer for not engaging BA (a predictable reiteration of the Engage! Theme) then states:
In an effort at refutation, without revisiting its own AP&P formulation, the article on Oppenheimer assures the reader that Avakian “is totally opposed to notions of the infallibility of and blind, uncritical adherence to leaders. On the contrary, a particular hallmark of Bob Avakian’s work is his understanding that a key role of leadership is to unleash and empower the masses of people…”
I look forward to RCP explanations about how the “culture of AP&P” is so different from a personality cult in the sense Oppenheimer uses the term.
Anyway, obviously these two pieces should be examined together. The RCP’s threatened on the one hand from a revolutionary left direction. On the other, from bourgeois journalism which the party acknowledges naturally responds to something like the NYRB ad with “some stir.”
The party says, “we will examine and seek to draw whatever lessons can be learned from even the most unprincipled opportunist attacks. In some cases, we may respond to such an attack—particularly where we believe it can serve as a useful ‘teacher by negative example,’ and refuting it will enable people to get a sharper and deeper sense of the correct, revolutionary and communist, ideological and political line, in opposition to opportunist lines of various kinds…”
The effort to shore up support is well underway. This issue of Rev might be the opening salvo in a desperate campaign to keep the party and support base from hemorrhaging.
Tahawus said
the RCP’s terse and utterly dismissive response really stands in stark contrast to the language and stated intent of the “Engage!” campaign around Avakian, sadly and ironically.
where is the lively and open debate? the engagement?
“Some people have nothing better to do than to try to tear down those who are seeking to bring something radically different and new into being.” <- this smacks of a narrow sense of entitlement, as if sitting on the mantle of the revolutionary road absolves you from thoughtfully responding to critics, how far will that get us? how far will that go to reinforce dogmatism? what value is there in leadership that relegates genuine criticism of its leaders and line to undeserving “parasitic” “distortions,” without actually addressing the *substance* of the work in question, where is the sophisticated tit-for-tat response?
the 9 Letters examines, analyzes and *cites* Avakian’s writings extensively, it is not distilled out of thin air. the RCP has a very positive history of attracting critical and scientific-minded people, i sincerely hope that there can be a real engagement around this instead of blanket dismissals.
Jimmy Higgins said
Hoo boy!
I may comment further if I find a bit more time, but I want to note one thing quickly.
After guffawing at zerohour’s deadly accurate “Also, it’s bad enough Avakian compares himself to Lenin and Mao but now Dylan too?”, it struck me that someone may have picked up a rock here without having a very good grip on it. After all, Dylan did go out, in person, in the teeth of considerable hostility and physical threats, to tour the US and Europe and make the case, live and in public, for his “new synthesis.”
Just sayin’…
Anon said
In response to comment #7
That’s really funny that you say that, because I thought the exact same thing independently whilst reading the above article. It reminded me of this video I just watched yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPol_m8wm8Y in it the scientologists get angry at the person with the camera saying “what crimes have you committed… you’re ashamed at something you’ve done and you’re coming after us because we’re just trying to make the world a better place”… or something along that line.
YO said
“parasitic critics” with no positive alternative vision of their own of how to deal with the same difficult necessity that the RCP is trying to wrench revolution out of… and instead, simply bowing to existing realities and criticizing the fighters and dreamers as “wishful thinking voluntarists”. That pretty much sums up the nine letters.
Maz said
Yo – Well, you can change the meaning of words all you want, just don’t expect the rest of the world to nod along.
Anon said
Well it pretty much sums up something… that you’ve not actually read the letters.
Something that drew me in to the RCP initially was their claims to scientifically look at the world and critically address things. What I see in this “response” is an empty “we don’t have time for this, we’re changing the world!” childish and completely UNscientific counter-argument.
Honestly, why fucking respond at all??
A question,
Whatever happened to the idea of taking on criticisms from anyone and everyone and addressing them with regards to what is true in it or what is wrong in it -not where it comes from or what preconceived motives you might think the author has.
Anon said
“Honestly, why fucking respond at all??” was addressed at the Revolution article, not you, YO. At least you’re addressing things a bit more honestly than comrades writing in Revolution.
Jimmy Higgins said
I note, again quickly, that in the last paragraph of the RCP statement it is said “we will examine” and “seek to draw…lessons” and even “may respond” to critics (read: Mike Ely).
That “we” would seem to be permission or even encouragement for RCP cadre and sympathizers to break out from what Mike has described as sequestration “in various watertight kingdoms.” It couldn’t hurt to cite this in conversation with them.
Of course it could also just be the Pluralis majestatis (the Royal “we”).
The Cold Lamper said
If anything, it’s nice to see “Yo” was able to figure out who the RCP was directing this statement towards without the RCP having to actually say so. Finally, some of their supporters are starting to break with “fetish of the word.” :rolleyes:
YO said
Maybe they should replace “parasitic critics” with “condescending petty-bourgeois diletanttes.” Or maybe they go hand in hand.
Why don’t you stop tearing down the RCP and come up with a radical alternative. What are you, Cold Lamper and others, doing right now to repolarize for revolution? What were you doing before the 9 Letters came out? Blogging about the RCP doesn’t cut it.
LaughingMAO said
Is Yo real or perhaps a sad attempt to generate an imitation of the RCP’s worst vices?
Impervious to satire…
ShineThePath said
Right, because handing out memoir post-cards and putting Revolution on the side of buses has really repolarized society, eh? Lets be real here, Yo. You don’t know any person here and can’t judge their actual political work. Just as I can’t just your personal political work. I can however judge the organizational work of RCP. Repolarizing society? How Yo? Has Harlem or Houston Revolution Club built base areas, where is the mass support for RCP?
Don’t play this game of “what have you done lately,” because RCP CAN’T win on such grounds.
ShineThePath said
Let me put it another way, I am not going to bow to Bob AVakian because he is giving it a shot Yo. Honestly, so is everyone else. I know a few people, and I won’t name them, that are posting here are part of various activities, different types of organizations, all trying to really break out and build a revolutionary movement, “repolarize” society. They get credit for the work they are doing, I will also extend that credit to all those who are doing work around WCW, YB, and Revolution Clubs.
The question comes to the fact, the type of work and what RCP is putting forward WON’T repolarize society and has turned the organization into a crude joke for a number of people, whether they are proletarians or “petty bourgeois dilletantes.”
Mike E said
Simple point: This site is about examining reality and political views. This is not a sandbox. Please drop the namecalling and personal tone.
ulises276/2 said
On your question Yo, many of us had been spending years of our lives giving hundreds of hours of time and thousands of dollars of hard earned money to the RCP’s program, risking arrest, being fired from jobs, and quitting jobs as the Party required it. From whence we learned, from the inside, what that program really was, and why it was not going to work. Our criticisms were made known publicly and privately to the Party over the years, and if they weren’t met with outright suspicion they were simply ignored. These criticisms were made in the spirit of moving things forward, but this was not appreciated. The verdict set in both individually and then over time as small disconnected groups of people, that the RCP was a “train that had left the station”. In fact substantive discussion was ruled out of order within the RCP, and those who did not believe that Avakian’s contributions were on the level of a Lenin or a Mao were quietly pushed out.
Now we are told endlessly about how “everything the RCP does is about revolution”. That is, the subjective intent of Avakian and the Party are what we are supposed to be appreciating here, and somehow are denigrating. But the point of the 9 Letters has been to draw out what the RCP’s plan for revolution (or hastening while awaiting) is in order to criticize where it is wrong. That is, the 9 Letters focuses on the objective situation and how the RCP’s leadership and line does not rise to the level that it claims that it does. Given its inability to deal with criticism, and its long history of NOT summing up its own practice in a thorough way, to say nothing of making incorrect analyses of the situation (WWIII, Christian Fascists), the 9 Letters then calls for something new based upon the collective experience of the RCP, but rooted in our reality now.
At the same time that we actually do respect the subjective position of the RCP and its cadres as being guided by the need for a revolution, we have brought forward a critique of why their program will not succeed. And we have done this because we too are focused on how to make a better world. The RCP neither addresses the substance of the critique nor do they respect the criticizer’s subjective stance as revolutionaries. Rather they paint us as fake communists, back-stabbers, a whole litany of names and accusations without anything to back them up. And then they effectively say that this criticism in particular should be dealt with using “dismissive sarcasm”. Which, by the way, you are certainly doing your best to follow up on, Yo.
That we have not burst forth from the RCP fully formed with a program and organization is to be expected. It is necessary to sum up what the situation is in order to make a plan about how to organize in it. This is opposed to a practice of jumping from one outrage to the next, making vehicles and driving them into the ground, and then parachuting into communities to play revolutionary (with all the fine subjective intentions imbued in that identity). We will have a positive agenda after we have brought more heads to the table, and after we have had the time to do in depth investigation. I encourage people who are serious about making revolution to get involved with this project, and to make whatever contributions they can. But especially at this point, to make contributions condensing what the main questions are that need to be addressed, and then what ever analysis they have done independently guided by those questions.
The plain fact is that the RCP is suffering not because we have done some evil act, but because they have the wrong line. It does not match up with reality. And the more that this becomes evident the further from reality the RCP seems to run. It is the fault of the leadership of the RCP that people are leaving that Party in a steady stream, a stream which threatens to become a torrent after the actual line of the Party is unveiled, both when the 9 Letters accurately exposed the line of Avakian as a cardinal question, and then in the juvenile and extremely unprincipled response of the Party above.
zerohour said
Yo says -
“Maybe they should replace “parasitic critics” with “condescending petty-bourgeois diletanttes.” Or maybe they go hand in hand.
Why don’t you stop tearing down the RCP and come up with a radical alternative. What are you, Cold Lamper and others, doing right now to repolarize for revolution? What were you doing before the 9 Letters came out? Blogging about the RCP doesn’t cut it.”
I’ve seen this argument expressed here also by Joseph Ball and can’t believe that it’s advocates can’t see how subjective and shallow it is.
Even if we were doing nothing, it doesn’t make our critiques any less accurate nor does it make Avakian’s “New” Synthesis any more profound. The Party has serious flaws which it seems intent on perpetuating. No amount of diversionary arm-waving is going to change that.
On the flipside, what is the point of bringing up this kind of argument except to say the until we have a fully fledged alternative we should stick with the Party? This is what I call a “devil you know” argument. This is unconvincing when applied to any other situation in life and is a mark of desperation. Rather than substantially defend one’s strengths, one simply says there’s nothing better out there.
It should be noted that atheists held on to their religious critiques for centuries before Darwin provided a scientific explanation for the diversity of life. Were they wrong? Should they have stayed in religious institutions instead? What about pre-Marx socialists like William Blake?
The development of an alternative requires a moment of negation. There has already been some movement here towards an alternative – the other side of negation. It would be plain to someone with a scientific outlook.
The sad thing is, when I first became politically active in the 90s I admired RCP for its insistence on principled argumentation and learned a lot from them about how to conduct myself in this manner. It seems they have decided to no longer retain the better parts of their historical practice.
Also, Jimmy, good call on Dylan and his new synthesis.
lily said
The RCP response is encompassed in the issue of Revolution as a whole. It needs to be responded to as a “piece” rather than to it’s most bitter not-so-clever Dylan cover. I have defended the RCP on these pages, and will continue to defend those aspects of Bob Avakians contributions as well as those of the Party when they reflect correct lines. But what’s so outrageous about this “orientation” of theirs is that it is the same methodology that has come to increasingly characterize the fortress mentality of the RCP.And what is important about this issue of revolution is that it concentrates a lot of what is incorrect with their line.
A defense/polemic is made based on reprinting or citing the source materials of Avakian, i.e. to insist on being correct by using one’s own arguments to restate the line. There is much in the “leadership” documents that is important and represented some important breaks in communists approach to this very cardinal question.
It also very righteously is going about building a zone around Avakian that is tightly cohered with his line, giving meaning to that the bourgeoisie would have to go through the party and the revolutionary masses to get to Avakian. Comrades, this is nothing to get sarcastic about or to take cheap shots at. The Boston Globe article is very bad, reactionary, dangerous– whether you agree with Avakian or not.
But what has become of the line on revolutionary leaders. In other words, what has occurred in practice. It is not science for the RCP to reprint and harken back and then not engage the struggle over the ACTUAL practice with this line, which I think contained the kernels of the caricature we see toady. This is important not because the Revolution articles are insulting and arrogant. It is important because there is a struggle in the world over these issues both looking back at historic experience and looking at things now and in the future. No where does the 9 Letters negate the need for leadership, but it does dispute Avakian’s line and practice on this question.
How does it happen that writings that repeatedly have stressed engagement, dissent, solid core with elasticity, come to this point? I think that it fails to look at the contradiction between leadership and led, inside the party, and between the party and the masses, correctly. It does not recognize that such agrandisement and the RCP’s brand of solid core leaves most of the rest of everyone unable to think, breathe, wage struggle, innovate because what is required is such extreme allegiance. If this issue of Revolution is any example, the RCP leadership is defining in practice what its line is — Avakian is the central component of the strategy. The alternative is neither to deny the importance of leaders and leadership or to deny the role they can play in unleashing the masses. But couple this with increasing focus on seeking to ideologically win the masses away, especially, from religion, and you have some pretty nutty stuff. I was not particularly impressed by the Harlem Revolution Club’s “There Is No God” work. Not because there is a god, not because communists should hide their views or fail to struggle with people over religion. But I think the RCP is starting to build into their plan that the masses make a clean break. They would likely argue, not the masses broadly, but a solid core. I would argue back that broadly speaking the masses of people will have to go through some steps, historic steps, to get there. There is for instance, contention among evangelicals, over the question of “good works.” In the documentary, Jesus Camp, the radio announcer has an approach which needs to be figured deeply into the struggle to repolarize. the question is complex and I think that the RCP welcomes some degree of struggle over such a question. BUT THEY DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE STRUGGLE OVER THE QUESTION OF LEADERSHIP OR OVER THIS LEADER OF THEIRS AND HIS LINE WHEN IT COMES TO THE MEMBERS OR SUPPORTERS OF THE PARTY OR FROM OTHER REVOLUTIONARY AND COMMUNIST FORCES WHO ARE HONESTLY SEEKING TO MOVE FORWARD. IN THIS THE RCP HAS ABANDONED THE ACTUAL PROCESS OF BUILDING OUR COLLECTIVE STRENGTH.
Yes, Bob Dylan went on to reach millions and build a vast following of his electric music. But there was also, if you want to use the analogy, the reality that his music was already speaking to millions of people and he brought a huge percentage of them with him.
It is not okay to argue that correctness of line is not determined by numbers of people you are leading and then to basically argue “all of you have nothing, are doing nothing” yada yada. The fact is that the RCP party organization is a real material force with or without a correct line. And the Party should not confuse waging principled line struggle with using the existence of itself to basically bully people. This does not bode well for the future.
Why spend time on the RCP? because they have been the leading Maoist force in this country for a long time and an important voice internationally. They concentrate a particular synthesis which, if correct, should spread in its influence and impact and, if incorrect, needs to be politically defeated ON THE LEVEL OF LINE.
Jaroslav said
One thing we should all recognise here is that Yo’s sharp turn to name-calling & fuck-you-attitude is exactly because he/she takes leadership from the RCPUSA newspaper.
Not that Yo was doing much better in the debate previously, in my opinion. But this is similar to what was said in the 9 Letters about the problem being the line of BA & of the RCPUSA, not poor implementation in practise by various individual cadre or local groups of cadre. This is the effect of RCPUSA’s leadership by line seen in action: pretty eh?
And as far as Bob Dylan goes, look where that dude ended up. His synthesis led him to the progressive grandeur we see him in today of being some pervy old guy in Victoria’s Secret TV commercials. (Although, with the specific example cited, I’ve got no problem electric guitars.) Plus, Phil Ochs kicks so much more ass anyway.
Jaroslav said
Lily pointed out: ‘But what has become of the line on revolutionary leaders. In other words, what has occured in practice. It is not science for the RCP to reprint and harken back and then not engage the struggle over the ACTUAL practice with this line, which I think contained the kernels of the caricature we see [today].’
The 9 Letters also talks about this, that what’s going on today is actually not in accord with 1995 Resolution or 1980 Programme or 2001 Draft Programme. But I think this whole ‘fetish of the word’ issue explains a lot of it, because it really seems like the RCPUSA has impression that because they say something, they must therefore be doing it. So because they have formulation that they do listen to criticism & value dissent & so on, they think they must be doing it; else how could they have said so? (Though, hypocritically, they don’t extend this to others, i.e. 9 Letters says it is engaging BA on level of line struggle, but they don’t take this at face value, instead slander it as being nothing more than some heckler at a concert.)
JM said
I was recently informed about your Web site by another ex-RCPer from my Detroit days. I read through the “9 Letters” booklet. Interesting. However, with all due respect, I don’t comprehend why these criticisms are coming out at this point and not much earlier. I got the hell out of the RCP 25 years ago — hard to believe it’s been that long ago — and my principal criticisms back then were pretty much the same as yours seem to be now – namely, an egregious cult of personality around Chairman Bob (I can remember helping to put up these enormous 3-part posters of him on abandoned buildings and freeway overpasses) the stupid and mistaken line around gays, lack of truthfulness to the rank-and-file members in summing up the success or failure of all-out mass campaigns (e.g., May Day 1980 and the campaign around that time to sell 100,000 copies of the “Revolutionary Worker”; I was tasked with finding dumpsters to dispose of vast quantities of newspapers that were piling up unsold in our house but that kept coming every week on the bus) and a veering away from doing any serious, sustained and thoughtful organizing work among the industrial proletariat. So, why now? What’s changed dudes?
Stiofan said
At one time the new communist movement was noted by the open polemics between groups. These were high priority theoretical works presenting detailed critiques and were featured prominently in the respective publications. There was at that time enough of a radical, unaffiliated milieu that these polemics were read and debated and formed an important part of an emerging revolutionary political culture based on critical inquiry.
This response falls lamentably short of this old standard and reminds me of the famous line in “All the Presidents Men” describing the Nixon White House penchant for the “non denial denial.” It is obvious that BA likes Dylan and this is certainly consistent with the Chairman’s singing intro to the “Revolution” DVD series. Beyond that the piece is mush and makes one wish for the translation.
bill said
im hurt by this i feel the revolution is going down the toilet BA is a smart guy but there going off course a bit that dvd is great and all that but you know fuck we really need a revolution not moving to suburbs
Quorri Scharmyn said
JM says “What’s changed dudes?”
And I really think the answer to that is that someone decided to publish a well thought out, well structured, scientifically motivated criticism of the RCP’s faulty lines AND THEN invite people to openly, publicly, and respectfully (we’ve all hoped) debate that critique. Radical.
matigari said
The first thing I have to say is that I am proud to be involved with this forum, based on some of the responses to the RCP’s Feb. 17, issue 120 of Revolution. I especially liked post 26 by ulises276/2 & Jaroslav’s comment in post 30,
“But I think this whole ‘fetish of the word’ issue explains a lot of it, because it really seems like the RCPUSA has impression that because they say something, they must therefore be doing it. So because they have the formulation that they do listen to criticism & value dissent & so on, they think they must be doing it; else how could they have said so?”
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A friend of mine is asking that I turn over the keyboard so that she can add her own two cents—I’ll put her words in quotes:
“On this point of the ‘fetish of the word’ & ‘valuing dissent’: my experience is that the rank & file are sent out to ‘defend the line’—not by researching, listening, learning & really debating the points with people, but by simply repeating the line again & again—& then dismissing those who ‘don’t get it.’ Sort of like the Christian church I grew up in, where if you hadn’t heard ‘the word’ & didn’t believe, you still might be saved. But if you’d ‘heard the word’ & rejected it, no alternative—straight to Hell.
As one who was sent out in this way, I can say that it was presented as a kind of moral imperative, i.e. in order to be a revolutionary & uphold your responsibility to the masses of the oppressed, you must simply assert, again & again, the line as it has been given to you, & preferably in the exact words in which it has been given to you, no matter where the person in front of you is coming from—no matter what they’re saying. And if they don’t salute, you go back & say, ‘oh, he was just a petit bourgeois liberal. He thinks this is some kind of debating society, just doesn’t see his responsibility to the basic masses….’ Which may or may not be true in any particular case, but as a general modus operandi, this provides a convenient way to pretend that your organization is engaging in open debate & struggle with people, when in fact, that is often not the case. And this methodology, which is apparently continuing some years after I finally saw through it, has the effect of isolating the RCP & its well-meaning, hard-working, self-sacrificing supporters, more & more. Small wonder that Bob Avakian has been so concerned about ‘other religions.’ I have to say that my desperation to realize a better world—mixed with the pull of my Christian upbringing —led me to put up with this anti-scientific, moral-pressure approach much longer than other people I knew.”
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The RCP & Avakian have long been known as the BLACK HOLE by those like myself who have had the experience—repeatedly, over the course of years, in my case—with raising questions or criticisms with them & receiving no answer. Like many other revolutionaries, I continued to support the RCP for years after I began to smell something rotten, for the simple reason that I wanted to fight against imperialism & I saw nothing else around that was any better (& a lot that was much worse). I took the crap for as long as I could, until, with a broken heart & much confusion at the time, I had to withdraw my support of what I saw as a road directly into a swamp. The driving force of my life since then has been the struggle to get to the heart of what went wrong with what started out as a genuine communist party so that we can avoid repeating the same mistakes. [It is OK to make mistakes—it is impossible to avoid them, even if you are meticulously scientific. In fact, scientific understanding grows through the process of acquiring partial truths that are laden with error, & then correcting them. However, “first time tragedy, second time farce”—to borrow a phrase from Marx’s 18th Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte.]
The RCP’s response to 9-Letters is, unfortunately, all too typical & all too sad. It is an illustration of the aptness of Mike E.’s image of the RCP as “a dead planet”. But by examining this “dead planet,” we are doing more than passively “orbiting.” It is obvious, reading the posts in this thread, that by sharing & reviewing our own experiences, we are, in fact, doing what we are criticizing them for not doing, constructing a different model of revolutionary work, one that I believe is closer to the spirit of Marxism.
The Cold Lamper said
Mike: I assume your “sandbox” comment was directed at me as much as it was directed against Yo. My jab wasn’t particularly helpful to this discussion, and I do deserve criticism/self-criticism for that. And I need to apologize to Yo: sorry, Yo.
I don’t think it’s wrong in principle–in fact, I think it is useful and even necessary–to resort to comedy, including ridicule and sarcasm, to shock people into realizing the absurdity of certain lines. I’ve tried to apply this “guerrilla comedian” method frequently on this website–it’s what I consider myself good at.
But I also realize that there is a fine line between that and crude personal attacks…and that I’ve probably crossed this line more often than I should. (That is to say, more often than would happen if I was exercising the kind of restraint you are so adept at–we should never deliberately descend into personal attacks, but we do make mistakes in this direction, and I haven’t done enough to minimize occurrences of that.)
My earlier crack was my attempt to expose what Jaroslav spoke about: the self-serving nature of the RCP’s word fetish. They frequently accuse their critics of distortion (whether consciously or not) yet refuse to take said critics’ own words at face value…preferring instead to draw out the “logical conclusion of the logic” of said criticism to the point of reductio ad absurdum. It is a method of talking past each other that leads women, children and men who should be comrades to the rut of atomization and self-atomization that is so characteristic of the modern RCP.
I think this “historicizing” of line struggle–this erecting of a Great Wall between engaging lines and engaging “real” people who put forward lines–is rooted in the RCP’s “out there” view of the masses (which you have spoken so eloquently about). When they speak of the “godlike position of the proletariat,” they are speaking of the godlike position of Avakian–seeking to single-handedly transform the masses “from the mountaintop.”
They end up reifying the masses–reducing a diverse body of individual masses to a single indivisible “historical” proletariat–in a matter that is merely the opposite pole of the same stupidity encompassed in the “workerist” tendency to reduce the proletariat to a caricature of “the bloody woiking class, mate!” (which Comrade Avakian is criticizing, and correctly so, in this context).
It’s one thing to apply this method to those who are targets of the world revolution; we aren’t seeking to bring Christian Fascists or the Democratic Leadership Council into the UFULP. It’s another matter when the same method is used to criticize Zizek or the FRSO, or even Bill Cosby (who is a ruling class apologist but not a member of it per se, any more than Dr. King was, and who still has a sliver of a chance of being won over to a better position–though I personally doubt it happening at this point).
I agree with what you have written, Mike, about the need to build a new communist culture of companionship and empathy–beyond the typically American desire to be “The International Asshole” (apologies to Kanye) that the communist movement(s) in this country have historically internalized. To do that, we need to “wrangle” not just with lines, but with the human beings who create lines, and who inevitably imbue in them their nuances and idiosyncrasies. That’s what I’m trying to say.
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In any case, I agree with Jaroslav: the one-two punch of this hysterical (semi)official reaction and Yo’s own hysterical reaction demonstrates the systematic nature of the RCP’s problems. How did Yo, who does seem to have been struggling in good faith up to this point, make such a dramatic overnight shift in her/his method? It can only be because this is the method that the RCP leadership is consciously seeking to instill in the work of their cadres and fellow travelers. (Yo has, IIRC, described herself/himself as a supporter, not a member–in other words, s/he is not bound by party discipline. Assuming s/he is telling the truth–party members do seem to have a rep for denying their membership, and not for entirely unjustified reasons–then this merely drives the point home harder.)
LaughingMAO said
It’s one thing to apply this method to those who are targets of the world revolution; we aren’t seeking to bring Christian Fascists or the Democratic Leadership Council into the UFULP. It’s another matter when the same method is used to criticize Zizek or the FRSO, or even Bill Cosby (who is a ruling class apologist but not a member of it per se, any more than Dr. King was, and who still has a sliver of a chance of being won over to a better position–though I personally doubt it happening at this point).
True indeed on the first point.
On the Cosby Question, he will not be coming around. His problems with potty mouth go back decades. Eddie Murphy has a whole skit about how Cosby called him up and chewed him out for saying FUCK. Murphy called Richard Pryor to ask for advice, and Pryor said, “next time you talk to Bill Cosby, tell him to suck MY dick.”
Ben H. said
Yo Sisbros,
Looking back at Agnes Smedley (Shimetelai in Hanyupinyin), she was constantly risking her life and limbs for the revolutionary struggle of the Chinese people and yet her application to join the party was not approved by the party leadership in Yanan. I’m sure if she’d wanted to, she’d have a big axe to grind against Mao and the party then but she took the principled stand and kept on risking her all until the completion of the new democratic revolution in 1949. However, she died in 1950 outside China risking her final all this time to fight against the ideological stranglehold of vicious anti-communist cold war propaganda spearheaded by U.S. imperialism in its home turf and western Europe. She was one of the very few non-party members to be buried among martyrs of the Chinese revolution in Babaoshan, Beijing.
If there’s a disease, let’s fight it to try our utmost to save the patient.
Yo sisbros, keep on fighting the good fight.
Anon said
In response to 21:
Can’t speak for everyone else but I do plenty with the little time that I have and that’s why it is so discouraging to see the way this is being handled by the paper and you. I’ve been to Jena twice, helping RCP and I’ve done tons of work in my area with them, it’s an insult for you to make a suggestion that I am not really doing anything to radicalize society when I’ve done so much.
Again, if the criticisms are right, what does it matter if I’m a “parasitic critic” or as you say a “condescending petty-bourgeois diletantte?”
If you want to radicalize society, don’t you need to have a correct line? Isn’t that what this shit is all about? Fucking shit.
redflags said
so…
This is the RCP’s first formal response. Yes, cowardly in spreading lame insult and ennuendo. Yes, contentless beyond treating the RCP as an a priori vanguard (eg: they say they will therefore they have.)
This initial foray is a sign that the RCP has not been able to effectively stifle this discussion.
Exactly because Ely and many of the contributors here are dedicated communists, are not demoralized and are intent on moving forward – the usual bag of tricks is not going to play among anyone honestly engaging the discussion.
What this piece says, more or less is: This is not up for serious discussion, if you uphold this in part or whole you are out. For people who have dedicated years (even decades) to building a revolutionary party, that is s severe threat. In other words, excommunication is in the air.
Not for being “dishonest” or “unprincipled”. Just so we’re clear. If anything, Ely bent the stick quite far in refusing to indulge in passing on horror stories or providing ammunition to the enemy. He is, as he puts it, engaging in the “high plane of two-line struggle.” Even if there are more than two lines…
Instead of responding directly to the Nine Letters, they are trying to categorically place the issues beyond discussion. They are further making clear from the issue as a whole that the cult of personality around Avakian is the defining issue and orientation of their (former) party.
In other words, it is Avakian who has wrecked the very party so many worked to build. This embraced and insisted cult has isolated the party from not just the broader left, which wouldn’t necessarily be a sin – but from many of the members and supporters and fellow travelers that made Maoism into an existing political trend in the United States. It’s not impressing comrades internationally – and to make a brave stand against flushing it all is not unprincipled, it is the right and only thing to do if you are truly dedicated to communism.
From my discussions with long-time friends and fellow travelers around the periphery of the RCP, they are in serious trouble as a viable organization. The slow trickle out of the ranks has been ongoing, as anyone involved knows. Now that there is a signal flare in the form of the Nine Letters, those who can’t carry Avakian’s water anymore now have a place to turn.
It is Avakian who made his own cult the issue. If that is the cardinal question, and they would prefer to become a promotional sect divorced from even the intention of building a leading party of the oppressed – then who the hell do they think they are to curse those who won’t travel down that black hole with them?
Big L said
People have been pointing to this by posing the question: what does it matter if criticism come from the petty-bourgeois, or from those who are capitulating to imperialism – isn’t our criterion whether or not these criticisms reflect reality accurately?
(Not that I think the 9 Letters are coming from folks who represent either of those two groups.)
Those criticizing the RCP are merely people who “can’t stand the fact that [the RCP] are determined to actually be, and to carry out our responsibilities as, a revolutionary communist vanguard party.” This is normal, and to be expected, “from those who have rejected—or who have in reality abandoned—the goal of radically remaking the world, and so feel compelled to try to tear down our Party, since we continue to act on the scientifically based understanding that such a radical transformation of the world is not only necessary but possible.”
So it’s clear that these criticisms have a class character – and that this is their defining aspect: reflections from the worldview of the petty bourgeoisie of the imperialist north.
But isn’t this response by the RCP symptomatic of the CLASS TRUTH which they purport the new synthesis to be a rupture with?
No engagement with the content of the criticisms, just abject rejection.
I thought this was interesting as well: “But we will not allow such attacks to deter us or divert us from our fundamental purposes and aims, nor do we believe that it is necessary to answer every such attack in order to clarify what is, in reality, the line and the work of our Party.”
What stands out is the part about it not being necessary to clarify what is, “in reality,” the line of the RCP. This makes me think of the confusion here when Mike points out that there is an internal line (which he doesn’t expose sources of) which cannot simply be sniffed out by reading the published work of the RCP. And where is it that the RCP directs people? Straight to published work and public presentations of line.
What if we held the bourgeoisie to these same standards? Well, Clinton is for gender equality, and Obama is for moving past race while still dealing with inequalities (plus he says he’ll end the war!) – they don’t sound too bad!
What type of method is this? I’m very interested to know what folks in my area think of this article . . .
Quorri Scharmyn said
Anon says:
“…it’s an insult for you to make a suggestion that I am not really doing anything to radicalize society when I’ve done so much.”
Anon, I think that no one here has criticized anyone’s activism around issues such as Jena 6 or Katrina or any other social atrocity. I really think all of us are firmly dedicated to bringing about a better situation for people and that these actions are one of the ways that dedication manifests.
Whether or not you are doing those actions as a member or supporter of the RCP is beside the point that the RCP HAS AN INCORRECT LINE. I don’t think anyone attacked you personally for acting, we are just criticizing this line of the RCP. Dig?
Quorri Scharmyn said
Matigari says:
I just wanted to share some solidarity with these expressions of frustration, demoralization, and disillusionment. I was drawn to the RCP because it was the most radical organization I had ever found and it was so refreshing to be a part of something that actually claimed to want to create real change internationally…. And I left with the most crushing sense of defeat. If even these most advanced people I had ever found were going to stifle criticism and questioning and disclude dedicated individuals from partaking in the remaking of society, what the crap was the point?
When I found this site and began to get involved with it, I had a chat session with some other people who were discussing how to move forward. I put forth an incorrect line on something and was criticized. I was able to bring up my own thoughts and questions AND GET AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE! This was what I had been missing!
I cried for a long time after this experience because I realized that I had found what I had been missing and the relief was palpable. I am joyous at the possibilities presented for us all here to move forward in a meaningful and more correct way. More true to the spirit of communism, as someone pointed out.
I feel you, Matigari :D
Anon said
Quorri Scharmyn,
To clarify myself… I was speaking to YO and his/her accusations that if we’re here and criticizing the party we’re just some sort of nerd/blog critics that aren’t serious about changing the world.
Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
redflags said
…which is to neatly say why personal attacks, which I have also been cautioned about, are not the way to go. I honestly think that Yo acts like a cariacture, but herein lies the rub. This is the best they can say. They can only attack the messenger.
Think about it.
The very people who’ve signed the Engage statement (largely) won’t go on record beyond supporting Avakian’s right to freedom of speech and association. If it was apparent that the real issue was constructing a cult of personality, which is the only way to read the current issue of Revolution and the massive Avakiana special edition recently published.
But who is that winning over? Is it not plainly isolating the organization and anyone who has embraced this cardinal question formulation? I have watched this organization spend itself through manic entreaty followed by yet more manic entreaties… to diminishing effect. People are burned out, stretched out – exhausted, and then made to feel guilty for not doing enough. Which leads to resentment of the very people a vanguard party is supposed to lead.
I’d like to note the title of the RCP’s response: A Matter of Basic Orientation.
And what is that “basic” orientation?
That those who criticize the RCP do nothing but criticize. That the RCP is a de facto vanguard party because Avakian says so – and if you “look at the man behind the curtain” you are an enemy.
What is “basic” about it is that giving even an inch to the Nine Letters is grounds for expulsion. That’s exactly what it means. It’s not up for discussion at all. Period.
Except… it is being discussed. This discussion is being closely read by many members and supporters who have been told not to.
So, without the ability to maintain a “watertight kingdom” except through profound social isolation, they have to say something.
To criticize is to tear down. To be a threat. To be against the people, an enabler of all the crimes this system is responsible for.
Plain sophistry. It alleges distortions without naming them. It then goes on to completely distort the essence of Ely’s Nine Letters, which are about building forward, fighting to win and refusing to settle for a surreal self-righteousness.
I’d like to see them try to deal with this straight up, without the threats and chicken-shitted ennuendo.
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To any supporters of the RCP reading this: You don’t have to settle, or think based on fear of “losing” anything. We have a world to win, and without the courage to really fight through our own failures, we won’t get there.
Jaroslav said
Quorri, I think Anon was responding to Yo’s criticism, not Mike’s or other 9-Letters-supporters.
Jaroslav said
ha… moderators, feel free to delete my comment #46, it is repetitive as Anon posted whilst I was typing… great that site is so active things like this can happen…
Jaroslav said
In looking at how RCPUSA views (& presents) criticism of itself by others, it is worthwhile to look also at the previous issue of Revolution. It has a series of reader comments ‘to give readers a sense of the letters sent to Revolution, and to spark interactivity’.
There are 5 comments. 2 are self-congratulatory prose poems about Jena, 1 critiques an article for not being exact enough in New Synthesis formulation, 1 is some extra info about Pakistan, & 1 is a piece by some guy with a lot of bourgeois democracy illusions who can’t even figure out that the RCP is not called the ’socialist party’.
It’s really not the picture of ‘lively debate’ & ‘elasticity’ & ‘fostering of dissent’ that they assert to possess. The first criticism about some article not being ‘New Synthesis’-ish enough is exactly the kind of ‘fetish of the word’ that they encourage. And the other criticism portrays the warped view of reality which RCPUSA tries to bring across in its anti-9-Letters tirade, that any criticism of major positions or lines of them is coming from some kind of bourgeois democratic angle, that the critic is in some way capitulating to imperialism objectively.
Hogwash.
NSPF said
this is a letter by Mr Borhan Azemi, a sympathizer of RCP to the moderators of Maoist Revolution list, that I received today. It’s self explanatory.
NSPF said
Here is the response of the moderator to Mr Azemi:
“Dear Comrade Borhan,
I disagree with your criticism though accept it. First read all the 9 letters and you will see (if attempt is made at a dialectical approach) that there is indeed political composition and a concentrated expression of line contradiction.
Of course i will divide Mike Ely’s ‘9 letters’ into 2 and will without doubt have problems with some aspects of them. This is the first e mail approved by Mike Ely after discussion with other Comrades concerning the ‘9 letters’ and generally agreeing that this is a line struggle (both political and ideological) here and certainly not ‘personal attack’, though i do agree there are aspects of it, but not totally. Hence why we ‘divide into 2′.
Also it can be said that the original poster Mike Ely has had the honesty as below to publish on his web site the RCP’s response. A correct method when line struggle is taking place.
Though Borhan i do not agree with your criticism of the group directors, we can not purge those such as Mike Ely for wanting to distribute political and ideological line differences, though political and ideological line struggle as i’m sure we would agree is best carried out within the ranks of the party in order to strengthen the line and make Revolution as oppsed to sitting outside the party where change can not take place though may have influence, and as quoting Comrade Mao Tse Tung;
This line is also relevant to the political and ideological struggle within the party to propel the revolution forward and this is where i disagree with Comrade Mike Ely. So please Comrade Borhan, let us use our list for this purpose, be dialectic and scientific in our overall approach.
Comradely,
M_R Moderator”
redflags said
Foul language?
Yes, the RCP has long been known for its aversion to profanity.
[end sarcasm]
Notice: the RCP-generated buzz has (to my surprise) been consistenly personal, devoid of honest line discussion and actually seeks to blame Ely (and company) for exactly the behavior of the RCP cadre.
The problem the RCP will face is that people can read the Nine Letters to Our Comrades.
You can say what you want about it, but you can’t pretend it isn’t a serious, principled engagement of political line and practice. You can’t deny the experience and dedication of the author – or put aside his continuous commitment to liberation. Opposing dogmatism and delusion isn’t opportunism and revisionism: No. Quite the opposite. Dogmatism feeds opportunism, and refusing to challenge it is itself a form of pragmatism: “this is the best we’ve got so we might as well go with the flow.”
Well, that won’t cut it any more. I’m heartened to hear that the Maoist Revolution listserve is carrying discussion. I’m glad to see that the range of participants is growing… Quickly.
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I think it is important to realize that many comrades are just becoming aware of the Nine Letters, and that they must read it and compare the analysis with their own experience.
The most interesting conversations happening right now are inside people’s heads. We should not “get over” this discussion until it has run its course. We want to build.
If you are following this discussion but have been told you can’t participate: THINK ABOUT THAT.
autocritique said
Like WCW’s move to openly take up the “impeach” slogan, I think this latest move by the RCP is also a step towards clarity.
For years, anyone who has tried to critique the RCP has been met with this kind of a response. The RCP’s psuedo-philosophical banter about “epistemology” and talk of “valuing dissent” has rung fairly hollow for some time now.
What’s new here is how open they are about it. The usual back-handed non-political “shit talking” (for lack of a better term, sorry) is now in print. It can no longer be claimed that the “shit talkers” are “not really upholding the line of the RCP.”
Some will still claim that this is “Yenan.” Is it? Remember, Deng was also at Yenan.
Jaroslav said
Autocritique, I think that it’s not so simple as going from ‘hidden’ to ‘clarity’. There is of course much truth to what you’re saying about things ringing hollow; but to me (& Mike, who has experience with [cut by moderator] internal struggle) it’s more about the competing lines within the RCPUSA. A certain line has now won out, so it can be put forward officially in the pages of the paper. However it was previously in command in practise, more by some cadre than others, more in some locations than others.
xbox said
I am speechless. It’s one thing to read about it in the 9 Letters. It’s a whole other thing to see it so starkly in print. I have never seen anything like this from them that I can remember. I thought self criticism was the most important tool in the kit. What about the story of the old chinese man who was always cursing the revolution. And finally when the comrades engaged him they found out that he had real and thoughtful criticism of the party and the rev. This story was supposed to show how important it is to listen and learn from all criticism. That outlook made it all (Rev, D of the P, etc) not only possible but desirable. But who wants to live in a society run by an organization that attacks its critics and brushes off meaningful attempts at debate and struggle. One word. Scary.
blackstone said
Yeah Xbox, sounds more like ZANU-PF and Mugabe of Zimbabwe than a “revolutionary communist party”.
the burningman said
The Revolutionary Communist Party has decreed on a "matter of basic orientation." The unsigned author(s) don’t mention the object of their scorn by name, but they call the Nine Letters to Our Comrades nothing but "completely dishonest and unprincipled attacks, including crude distortions of our views, aims, and methods." The distortions and purported lies are not noted. Not discussed. Only as a possible object of instruction in the sound of elastic snapping. Off limits and not up for consideration. Decided. Think about that. Read the Nine Letters and think about it again.
Nor is any shadow of a doubt left up to wonder about the motives of Mike Ely or the other comrades involved, myself included:
Peculiar, considering the sharp use of weasel words, is the total refusal to even say what this is all about. As if saying the words gave them power, which is dialectically speaking, exactly what silence does. It imparts fear and wonder when you can regulate what can and can’t be said. Which you can’t, by the way, beyond those who will put up with it in demonstration of their fealty to the mantle of revolution, rhetorically claimed.
Anyway, Bob, I’ll see your reality and raise you a check. Lyrics on the link.
And you thought someone said boo?
Lyrics and song by Bob Dylan. I don’t know if he’ll mind, but I doubt he cares. And that’s a shame, but Dylan done did alright already. We have our day to seize.
For more on this discussion, check Kasama daily.
[This post orginally appeared on burningman's RedFlags site.]
SS said
Well… I apologize for doubting the email posted here – http://mikeely.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/initial-rcp-response-to-9-letters/
The portrayal did not match my experience on a personal level with supporters of the party (and still doesn’t). I guess I found a few “good apples” so to speak. I retract all my previous comments on this issue. The response from the party is extremely disappointing and disconcerting. Although I agreed with many of the critiques contained within the 9 Letters, I had serious doubts that the party would be unwilling to actually engage the substance of them publicly (although the language of the response did leave room for that, I now have serious doubts anything will ever materialize), and that they would immediately characterize Ely and the other contributers as unprincipled and counter-revolutionary (not the language contained in the statement but that was the message). I stand corrected.
Apologies comrades.
Anon said
Does this statement seem to be the only response we’re going to hear from RCP?
It seems like things are being brushed off as “just not important enough with everything that’s going on.”
What’s the rationality behind something like that? Where does that lead? They’re right (RCP) and need not even bother with these criticisms? The criticisms are so wrong they don’t deserve an actual refutation?
Quorri Scharmyn said
Anon: I’m sorry I misunderstood your previous statement, I get it now :)
As a side note, the RCP is obviously, in the proof of SS’ comments, condemning itself with its own actions. The line struggle can’t be quelled, really.
The material reality exists and will come forward in the manifestation of more and more individuals comning to see the truth of the matter and the correct orientation. Hurrah!!
Mike E said
When we posted the initial verbal script circulating around the RCP over a month ago — there were many comrades (here on Kasama) who thought it was unfair to portray it as an official response. They just COULD NOT believe that the RCP would be so shallow and dismissive — and that this party would simply refuse to engage such a substantive critique. And such comrades were hoping for a full debate so they could learn what was true, and what was false, in the issues raised by the 9 Letters.
So you were not alone, SS, in your skepticism.
I have struck by how surprised and deeply disappointed many people are by the whole response of the RCP — especially when it came fully out into the open with this shabby published “Orientation.” People genuinely EXPECTED better. The history of the RCP suggests that the RCP was once capable of much better than this self-important posturing and empty name-calling.
If someone wants to claim the 9 Letters are a bundle of “distortions,” fine. But everyone will expect you to NAME THE DISTORTIONS!– and say exactly HOW they are distortions! Otherwise, such charges are only credible within that small self-contained world of yes-men and self-reflecting mirrors that Avakian has chosen to erect for himself.
The understandable surprise of many people is a product of what we call the “disconnects” in Letter 1: where the apparent promises of the new synthesis are very very starkly contradicted by the continuing practice of this party.
This has been most shocking about the 9 Letters: Many people hated the preaching, often mindless group-think, isolation and repeated failures of the RCP, but thought that Avakian’s talk of debate and truth might be a fresh start. I know I did. It so is challenging to now be shown that Avakian’s synthesis is in fact UNLEASHING religious thinking, blame-the-masses and deepening self-isolation — after Avakian himself seems to be arguing against such things. That’s just the irony, the contradiction AND THE TRUTH of this political development!
The RCP today clearly wants “engagement” without real challenges. And they are especially intent on keeping their few remaining supporters sealed off from any communist critique of Avakian’s synthesis — not just the 9 Letters but the mounting criticisms from the international communist movement. They openly hate the Internet — which prevents the kind of “control freak” management of information, images and debate that they crave.
Anyone who wants to actually see how this party and its leadership handle serous and substantive criticism in practice (in reality, not in lipservice) should read this “Orientation” and study how the RCP responds to the 9 Letters.
Think of how pathetic and hypocritical it all is — as so many have pointed out in this thread. The “Orientation” doesn’t t even dare to MENTION the 9 Letters — for fear that someone might figure out how to find the polemics! Think how defensive and scared that is. And it will not work of course. These 9 Letters are deep in the political scene now and can’t be avoided.
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It would be better if the RCP substantively engaged the criticisms of the 9 Letters — so many people can uncover the truth of these matter from the comparison and debate. Unlike you, SS, I suspect the RCP WILL (one way or another) be literally FORCED to answer the criticisms of the 9 Letters. Not forced by us at Kasama, but forced by all the thinking people inside the RCP and outside it who will inevitably demand to know what the RCP’s answer is to the criticisms of the 9 Letters (and the criticisms of the international movement).
What thinking radical activist today would CONSIDER joining the RCP today without first reading the 9 Letters and probing what they say?
Who will throw their activity into one of the RCP’s “mass initiatives” without studying Letters 2 and 3 closely and grappling with what they reveal about line and practice?
Who can look at the political developments now (including the secular McCain’s rise among Republicans) and not see that Letter 5 correctly criticized the RCP’s “coming theocracy” and “coming civil war” as instrumentalist hype and reductionist methodology?
The still-coming debate may reveal we made some errors in the 9 Letters — but it will certainly lay bare that these sometimes shocking polemics were far more true and precise that many people could first imagine. I look forward to it — and precisely because our project is not just “parasitic criticism” but is determined to pull something real and revolutionary out of our past and our present.
lily said
Thank you Mike for your clear response. For me, a point you made that is most provocative that I am trying to grasp deeply and understanding more each day because of the 9 Letters and the deplorable response by the RCP is when you say
“It so is challenging to now be shown that Avakian’s synthesis is in fact UNLEASHING religious thinking, blame-the-masses and deepening self-isolation — after Avakian himself seems to be arguing against such things. That’s just the irony, the contradiction AND THE TRUTH of this political development!”
I have been ecclectic on this point and that has been keeping me trying to cut through the middle. Your point is essential to grasping the line struggle and also central for getting beyond the heartbreak that many of us, including myself, have gone through over what has happened to the RCP and its impact.
GCL1 said
Wow.
The RCP, once again, does not deal with the “meat” of the 9 Letters or any other criticism, especially those criticisms that come directly from the mouths of the real proletariat.
Instead, they throw the polemical equivelent of a collective temper tantrum and play the role of “victim”.
If this is how they deal with those of us who are dedicated, committed revolutionaries, I can imagine how they’ll deal with the people who dare to criticise their performance if they actually take power.
In essense their line on the 9 Letters is: “How dare you talk to us like that! Do you know we are?!”; like some bloated, washed up, used-to-be star in Hollywood who’s mad that he/she can’t get “his/her” table at the exclusive “A-list” night club. How is this attitude different from that of the current Bush regime or any previous Ameirkkkan regime? Or the various local governments?
At this time, they are CLEARLY and CONCLUSIVELY unfit to be “the vanguard party” of anyone.
We’ve all seen the proof.
I look forward to prevailing upon them for rigorous self-criticism!
Anon said
So they don’t believe it necessary to clarify the line and the work of their party? Train has left, indeed.
Because everyone else really isn’t interested in radically changing society…
SS said
“I suspect the RCP WILL (one way or another) be literally FORCED to answer the criticisms of the 9 Letters”
Interesting point Mike, you are probably right. I can’t imagine many people respecting the party any longer if they didn’t publish something.
The article really threw me off…
RNK said
I’d have to disagree; I don’t think the RCP has any responsibility or will have any will to answer to the criticisms of the 9 Letters except in the format shown with their previous responses. I do not think, to be honest, they will be able to answer these questions in a frank and forward manner without forcing into the spotlight the fact that their new synthesis may be wrong.
What we’ve seen up until this point (and I believe what we’ll see for some time) is nothing but damage control; while the responses of the Party have played lip service to answering the criticisms of the 9 letters, in reality they have surrounded that shallow rhetoric behind bunkers of defensive posturing and tactical withdrawls, to try and lower the importance and impact of the letters, to harm Mike’s character in the tried-and-tested measure of accusing anyone who questions the Party of being an “oppurtunist”, and of refusing to generate an actual qualitative response and instead fire off what amounts to a one-liner.
Up until this response the RCP had a very good and open oppurtunity to engage in the questions brought up by the 9 Letters and, like should have been done, create a learning process through it. Instead, they have chosen to attempt to close shut the door that’s been opened, nail it and bolt it and re-enforce it, and prepare for a veritable ideological seige which will now no doubt commence. I’m disappointed in the RCP, though I can not say I am shocked or surprised, however I feel it is important to clarify that they’ve gone and driven the nails into their own coffin with this imature response.
redflags said
Comment 62: Instead, they throw the polemical equivelent of a collective temper tantrum and play the role of “victim”.
What makes you think this response-that’s-not-a-response was written collectively?
I bet we know the name of at least one of the authors… the only one who’d feel entitled to speak on behalf of the party…
Ulises said
I don’t think there is any certainty to a response beyond what they have already given.
The RCP is putting up firewalls. On the international question they’ve begun printing articles through AWTW about the Indian and Nepalese Revolution without clarifying their line and certainly without changing it. On the Cult of Personality question they’ve been putting out MORE claims about Avakian’s synthesis being the “highest expression” of communist thinking in the world today, as reply to those who think that it is an incorrect line on leadership, and an incorrect strategy for developing a Rev movement. And now they have put out what they hope will be the final word on the 9 Letters. At each stage of these firewalls, subtle and not so subtle tacks and turns, the RCP has attempted to harden its line to criticism while moving forward in executing its line. Every time that they have to come back to a criticism and address it on a deeper level represents an actual break with the committed position of the Party as laid out by Avakian and seen in “A Matter of Basic Orientation”. It may happen, and it would be significant if it did, but I think we should really look at their current statements as THE answer to the criticisms of the 9 Letters. For them to deal substantively with criticism would be a major line reversal at this point.
redflags said
True, true.
I don’t think anyone here is waiting for a satisfying “answer” to the Nine Letters except confused supporters of the RCP.
It’s been said by a few people, but I too expected more or better than this. I long respected the RCP because it was, in my experience, a truly principled organization. That doesn’t mean they played by Robert’s Rules… but they weren’t liars or shit-talkers, at least not by organizational method.
This whack attack is an admission that Avakian can’t answer this, not in a way that will both stay on message and satisfy their members and supporters. They will be left with those people who would be happy chanting Avakian’s name at a brick wall… because the people who actually intend to break through will have to move on.
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A crucial point that hasn’t been brought up yet, and that I don’t think can be answered on a blog: there will have to be forms of actual regroupment for activists who do step out.
Antonio1949 said
OK, so the RCP has published this dismissive response to the Nine Letters to My/Our Comrades (an interesting shift took place in the title of this piece and I’m not sure of the actual significance in the change of title).
The response of the readership of this website has been general outrage, combined with a sense that dismissal and failure to ‘engage’ is a betrayal of the promise previously shown by the RCP, both in its practice and its stated positions. Fair enough.
But I ask you, if we look at this history of the ICM, what basis is there to believe that the RCP should react in any different manner. An important question for moving forward as communists: Can anyone who upholds the CPSU’s 1930s purges as unfortunate but, on some level, ‘basically correct’ really be so outraged at the RCP’s response to the 9 Letter? Can anyone who feels that Chinese party’s treatment of Ding Ling was ‘basically correct’ legitimately be outraged at the RCP’s response to the 9 Letters?
I ask this, not as a rhetorical exercise, or to ‘stick a finger in the eye’ to those who are outraged at the truly shabby RCP response, but to raise an important issue for those claiming the ‘Maoist’ mantle, or at least the ‘heredity’ of the pro-Chinese communist tradition in the 21st century.
I know there are those here who applaud the Nine Letters who do, in fact, basically uphold many nasty things Stalin did to legitimate dissenters (indeed, far worse than this RCP response). I also know there are those here who more or less unquestioningly uphold the experience of Chinese socialism from 1949-1976, without fully understanding all the implications of the Chinese line on dissent, and what that meant for many sections of Chinese society, including women (as concentrated in the Ding Ling affair mentioned above). And I know there are many more who are confronting these issues now and do now have set verdicts on them.
So, for those for whom this RCP response is so obviously a bitter and sad expression of ideological and practical poverty, for those of us who expected better because we know there are people in the RCP who represent a way of doing things which is so much better than this approach, and who we have fought side by side with in favor of a better approach, I want to pose a sharp question:
Is the RCP’s approach here consistent with the mainstream of the history of the ICM in dealing with this sort of dissent, or is it relatively consistent with the approach of the ICM in dealing with this sort of dissent?
And if it is mainly consistent with the approach of the ICM in dealing with dissent, and you are critical of that approach, what are the implications for your view of how various line questions (that you even know about) were settled in the USSR and China?
Antonio1949 said
Another issue has been raised here by Mr. Redflags:
“A crucial point that hasn’t been brought up yet, and that I don’t think can be answered on a blog: there will have to be forms of actual regroupment for activists who do step out.”
I would like to propose that there is a basic flaw in this conception of regroupment as something for ‘activists.’
I think that conceiving of a new political project as something ‘for activists’ is too narrow and limited.
Real life political projects that have a living significance for masses of people are not projects of/for activists. Rather, they are ways of conceptualizing the world and acting to realize that conceptualization that encompass modes of participation that are relevant to various strata of the masses, including activists, intellectuals, workers, and other overlapping/intersecting ‘identity groups.’
One of my criticisms of FRSO (the real one, not the Brezhnevite midwest cult), as much as I respect their genuine engagement with and forwarding of the interests of the masses, is that they conceive of themselves as an ‘organization of/for activists’ (loosely cited), or so they claim in one of their basic documents. This is very self-limiting, very ‘lowered sites,’ and does not grasp what a real, living engagement and expression of mass communist politics actually looks like, as illustrated in places like Nepal, Peru, India and elsewhere, where such a phenomenon has actually been developed.
leftspot said
Two quick things.
Antonio1949, what’s up with the inaccurate cheap shot of “Brezhnevite midwest cult” to refer to Freedom Road?!? It seems that in general there’s a commitment to a higher level of discussion here than that kind of dismissive name-calling.
Even if I humor you by granting that FRSO does not have an entirely negative view of the Brezhnev period, the adding of “ite” at the end of Brezhnev is needlessly pejorative. And it is factually incorrect to say it’s a “midwest” group since FRSO has a real presence on both coasts as well as in the Midwest. Nor is it a “cult”, unless you define all Leninist groups as such. So, if you’re gonna go there, at least engage FRSO’s politics for real and drop the pejorative name calling as a substitute.
Back to the point of this thread…I have to admit I am somewhat surprised at the RCP’s terse public response to the 9 Letters so soon after the 9 Letters came out. Actually I didn’t expect they’d respond in print so soon. It would seem that their publishing of this non-response response to the 9 Letters is out of necessity.
I would guess that they will at some point put out a more serious political response (not that it will necessarily be substantively better, but it will be more fleshed out).
But I wouldn’t be surprised if they wait until (if) the forces regrouping around the 9 Letters takes some organizational form which will inevitably make it’s own real or perceived missteps that make an easier target for criticism than the line questions the 9 Letters raise. Or else they’ll wait until the 9 Letters regrouping fails and then issue a “we-told-you-so” type criticism saying that denying Avakian/RCP’s leadership leads directly to organizational liquidation.
Modern Pitung said
Speaking as a partisan of the organization Antonio refers to:
It would be my hope that in discussing errors of dealing with differences of line, that folks could see that the problem cited here (and within the 9 Letters themselves) would be examined more seriously. It is not for nothing that some persons here are less surprised than others that the RCP would use a whisper campaign of euphemisms with regard to those they consider political opponents.
All of which is to say, if folks want to be critical with regard to Freedom Road’s line, go to the source document. Our latest strategy document has been available for some time. Nowhere does it suggest that party building is simply a matter of organizing the Amalgamated Activists, Organizers and Steamfitters. It does say, we need a unification of the party-oriented and the movement-oriented Lefts in this country, and that the deprecation of the party as an organizational form only leads to resistance-as-surrender NGO’ism. I would take that the true source of contention is that parties should seek out broader and higher unity with the mass struggles presently occurring without party sponsorship, as that contention has existed for some time.
zerohour said
Sorry to sidetrack the discussion but I read the FRSO document and was struck by how they used the terms “Party” and “revolutionary organization” interchangeably. In fact, I read it twice trying to nail down exactly what they meant by “Party” and it isn’t there. It describes tasks that a Party would take on, but those same tasks could also be taken on by mass organizations, so whither the Party? And what does such murkiness indicate?
leftspot said
Zerohour: It is precisely this lack of clarity around the need for a *Leninist* party that led to the split in Freedom Road in 1999, with what is now the freedomroad.org FRSO group expanding/changing/dropping (take your pick) the Leninist conception of what kind of party needs to be built, and the frso.org FRSO group reaffirming the need for a Leninist type party to be built in the U.S. to lead revolution.
Jimmy Higgins said
There are a number of reasons for the murkiness, no doubt, but the principal one is that there’s one thing that, based on repeated practice, we can be fairly certain won’t work:
That’d be 1. getting together a relative handful of smart and dedicated Marxist Leninists who already know what organizational form The Vanguard Party of the American Working Class will take, 2. declaring The VPotAWC amid mumbled references to how there were only 12 people at the first congress of the Chinese Party, and 3. going briskly on, because of the oft-affirmed correctness of the ideological and political line, to draw in thousands and thousands of the most advanced and train them as cadre of a Bolshevized Party large enough and based deeply enough among the masses to start to contend for power.
We all know, in our heart of hearts, that giving this one more shot is not gonna result in our finally getting it right.
I know what I would like to see, my own self, and I suspect a lot of other people in FRSO/OSCL would as well, but the practical vision of Party building for the US laid out in Which Way Is Left (or, for those who prefer to sample a shorter version first, Khalil Hassan’s article here) requires avoiding anything that smacks of heavy preconditions presented to folks we would like to see taking up the dialog and the practical work of building a serious party in this country.
Are there dangers in this approach? You betcha, big ones, but I’d rather risk them than embark one more time on some of the traditional paths to The VPotAWC that have been taken so many times over the last four decades and more.
zerohour said
Jimmy -
I think the problem I have with their “murkiness” around the question of the party as reflected in the WWIL document is that they seem unaware of it. I see claims of the necessity of party-building but until they acknowledge that a party is NOT just a “revolutionary organization” that engages in mass struggles, they won’t get far. I have seen many attempts at building a “party that is not really a party”. They’ve only gotten as fas as they could accommodate popular left-liberalism. I guess that “works”.
I remember once reading an essay by Ernest Mandel where he refers to a party of the “living memory of the working class.” [I think that's close to the exact formulation]. While attempting to seem open, he liquidated the particularity of a party and reduced it to a sort of human archive. While FRSO may not have “heavy preconditions” for building a party, they also seem to have no criteria at all for what separates a party from a mass organization. We already have a lot of those formations. Do we need another one whose only distinction is that they don’t reject Mao?
I’m not sure what you mean by something not working? Do you mean that they have not made a socialist revolution? Or that they have not gained a consistent and growing foothold among the masses? I’m not completely convinced RCP’s vanguard formulations can be rejected in their totality. I believe that we need a democratically centralized party consisting of ideologically committed members. Beyond that there is much I would still question, but any alternative that values greater intellectual openness and mass participation cannot do so while ignoring the real strengths of the enemy. When I see an organization that is lax with security [they say it's because they're not "paranoid"], I don’t take them seriously as revolutionaries since they don’t seem to take their enemy seriously.
zerohour said
Just read the Khalil Hassan piece. This has a bit more on the specificity of a party than WWIL. It’s very suggestive and worth reading.
Anon said
I’m a newb, can someone tell me who Khalil Hassan is?
zerohour said
I would guess that he’s a member of FRSO and I was referring to this piece.
Skwisgaar Skwigelf said
Anon:
Khalil Hassan has been active in the US Left since the 1970s. He has had articles published in various sources including Monthly Review. I hope that’s good enough for you, because it will have to do.
Zerohour:
You’re throwing out some comments that are a bit on the vague and broad-brush side of things. I’d like to see if we can get a bit more specificity to at least a couple of them.
* What do you mean by “accommodating popular left-liberalism”?
* Is your comment about laxity with security directed specifically at FRSO/OSCL? If so, can you elaborate?
Also, I think what Jimmy was driving at is that FRSO/OSCL is trying to bring into being a rather different approach for the development of a party. As he notes, there have been many, many attempts by small groups to declare themselves the One True Party and then to try to grow linearly into such. Obviously none have been successful, as there is, and has been for many decades, no organization in the U.S. that can be remotely considered a genuine party–including the RCP before the Bob thing got completely out of control.
Vanguard party status is not something one gets to declare about one’s existing diminutive group and then have it magically come true. That is a deep error of subjective idealism that pervaded the 20th century Marxist tradition–an error we need to struggle to shed. The development of a vanguard is in fact an objective phenomenon; history determines it, not our premature subjective declarations. The correct thing for us do is to strive to lead as best we can through our individual revolutionary organizations as well as to try to guide various forces together via the unity-struggle-unity methodology we should all know well, all with the goal of bringing something greater into being down the road–a revolutionary party in the proper sense of the term–that will hopefully be determined by history to play a vanguard role in the revolution. We strive for that role, but we don’t get to call “Vanguard!” like one calls “Shotgun!” The approach FRSO/OSCL advocates is a fairly different way of looking at things than “Our little group has the correct line, therefore we’re obviously the vanguard party.”
zerohour said
Skwisgaar -
I was engaging in a logical fallacy: argument by analogy. Although I was purportedly talking about FRSO, I actually wasn’t.
When I heard the term “refoundation” it sounded a little too close to Solidarity’s “regroupment” and that’s how I perceived the direction of FRSO’s party-building efforts. This was based on the aforementioned “murkiness” in the WWIL document. I viewed the terminological conflation as a lack of clarity that did not bode well for party-building. I envisioned a Solidarity-like group which would be characterized by lack of discipline and accountability, among other problematic traits.
The laxity issue is not directed at FRSO since I don’t know how they function and would not presume to speculate. It was directed at what I thought was the organization they might engender based on such vague language. I’ve seen that as a sign of an organization based on lowest-common-denominator premises that stress unity at all costs, and minimize, if not repress, struggle. Combine that with a desire for popular appeal and you have a mass organization calling itself a party.
After reading Hassan’s piece I stand corrected on the above points. However, that doesn’t let FRSO off the hook for what I consider careless wording in a public strategy document.
As for the notion of a vanguard, I’m glad you haven’t rejected this. That word is as anathema to many lefties as “imperialism” was a decade ago. I have always found RCP’s self-designation as The Vanguard problematic for the reasons you describe, but have never worked out a sense of how a vanguard would be constituted. Years ago, someone told me that vanguard status would be decided by the masses. There’s something to this, but it left me uncomfortable as it seemed to turn the question of vanguard into a popularity contest. How can mass following be the key? Would that make ANSWER the vanguard since they can organize bigger demos than just about anyone else? What other ways can we assess the correctness of our politics?
Modern Pitung said
It seems the RCP’s response is not limited to the first editorial:
http://revcom.us/a/121/avakian-new-synth-en.html
In retrospect, the first editorial seems to be just a matter of staking some propaganda points, which were to be elaborated later (as in, now-ish).
Taking a peek from the peak of the mountain: the greater political strategy with dealing with 9 Letters, the RCYB splits, etc., is to 1) lower expectations by driving the conversation into the gutter of invective, then 2) exceeding these low expectations with a few semi-open events where the RCP don’t seem like such bad guys after all.
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saoirse said
does anyone know the nature of these discussions? At the risk of asking a “naive” question, is Avakian going to do presentations?
Anon said
Saoirse, I’ve asked RCP supporters that very question to only get a very vague “maybe” sort of answer.
Mike E said
Saiorse asked if Avakian will be presenting the talk on March 9. (Her post was accidentally erased).
I suspect Avakian may speak on his synthesis via video feed. I.e. He may present, but not yet in person.
I also believe this March 9 event will try to spur an intense escalation of their Avakian promotion campaign — by offering an Avakian “coming out” event this year as the RCP’s answer to the system’s elections-in-wartime.
Anon said
Interesting, Mike.
What are your thoughts on this? Though highly speculative on whether this will turn out to happen, what do you think?
I see it as a good thing for leaders to be out and in the public as much is permitted in the given situations… humanizing.
Mike E said
My thoughts on this are expressed in the 9 Letters: i.e. that this is not about “leaders being out and in public.” this is a strategic view that a particular kind of promotion around Avakian can play a key role in creating the much needed revolutionary movement around which to repolarize society.
My view is that this approach will not work — on many levels. They may well succeed in filling some auditorium for Avakian — the RCP has historically been able to mobilize several thousands of people for a major communist event with an allout effort over many months. but this is not a strategy that will hike the revolutionary movement to a new level of influence and impact.
Avakian’s politics, strategic thinking and theory are flawed on many levels. the remaining air is going out of WCW’s impeachment and anti-torture campaigns (and has been going out of them rapidly after years of decline — and especially since the fiasco of failed fantasy plans for October 5, 2006, which were then followed by the Democratic win in the congressional elections.)
The RCP has tried many things previously during national presidential elections — carl Dix’s anti-candidacy, boycott campaigns, and the WCW approach (which was promoted an element of “pressure the Democrats from the streets.”) Over many years, these have been among the campaigns that had least hearing or traction among the people (because of objective conditions, concept and execution.)
In many ways, there are some major new features on the political landscape — inclding the fact that the close election of 2000 convinced many people that their votes mattered, and the brutal policies of the Bush government convinced many people that the two parties really ARE different. add to that the Obama enthusiasm, which has made some remarkable inroads among previously alienated or non-political people. And you have a dynamic situation requires a sharp and focus approach, rooted in particularly, speaking to people who are starting a complex political experience with some major political illusions.
to make an impact on this, there needs to be an applicaiton of “unite the advanced to win over the intermediate.”
In that context: I think that trying to focusing the work of communists on promoting Avakian (as a person, as a great leader and thinker — and essentially as a savior) during this election year would in effect squander the organized forces around the RCP. It has a tin ear to the actual thoughts, desires and illusions of the key audiences.
The RCP has been applying such methods — going (more or less) from failure to failure over the last several years — with a great deal of brainstorm hype from their leadership producing a great deal of frustration and resistance among its supporters. Out of that grim clash has emerged a party culture that promotes loyalty and fantasy, over reality and critical thinking. And it is going to keep colliding with reality in a harsh way.
there needs to be some real line struggle over the synthesis that guides this whole approach — building on the work of the 9 letters. And I think that revolutionary communists also need to be moving PAST the RCP in many ways — to make renewed efforts to “reconceive as we regroup) including here in Kasama’s debate, engage each other on what practical political work and approaches should be adopted, tested and pursued.
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janet said
This doesn’t say anywhere that it is targeted at the 9 letters. I think that it is wrong to make assumptions and judgements. There are a lot of groups that have criticized RCP in this moment and if one is being scientific about looking at the world, you would want to have something to back up the assumption that this is directed at the 9 letters.
zerohour said
Janet -
You’re right. In fact, the article does not state who it IS aimed at and yet characterizes its critics as unprincipled saboteurs. Yes the Party has its share of critics, some principled, some not, but this article seems to be making a facile distinction. While it claims to welcome “dialogue and principled struggle” those of us who have extensive experience around the Party understand that, for them, “principled” means that any critique must be prefaced with an acceptance of Bob Avakian’s pre-eminence as a revolutionary leader and thinker.
By not naming its targets, the article is implicitly lumping in the 9 Letters and pretty much everyone else who has a critique of the Party with the politics of the Boston Globe article.
There are two audiences for the article, those who know of the 9 Letters and those who do not. For the former, the article is a rebuke, for the latter it is a pre-emptive move, because they will know about the 9 Letters sooner or later.
Look at this passage: “Even—or we should say especially—when this bowing down to the “existing realities” is done in the guise of (and as a grotesque distortion of) “communism,”…it amounts to nothing less than accommodation—and in fact abject capitulation—to imperialism…” Is that aimed at the Boston Globe article? Since that author is not writing in the name of communism, it’s not hard to see who they’re talking about.
This is how the Party practices “plausible deniability.” Since it’s not in writing, it doesn;t exist.
You are right to be skeptical about something which does require some degree of direct practice to sift through. It would be easy to dismiss this as a subjective anecdote. So try this: go to your local Revolution Books and just ask if the article is a reaction, even in part, to the 9 Letters. For those who want more direct evidence of the way the Party functions externally, all you need to do is spend time around them.
d said
I’m not sure where to post this but it seems this thread consists mainly of discussion of what I’m commenting on/questioning…
What is meaningful revolutionary work? there is a point at which one can unintentionally become a “parasitic critique”- if all they are doing is pointing out holes in work other revolutionaries are doing.
Many people are saying that a lot of the people posting here are doing meaningful work, mainly resistance…
I’m confused and have yet to come to a conclusion consistent with the 9 letters with regard to the line of the RCP- all of these critiques are in some way or another valid, (but does this reflect the party as a whole?). To me this means systematic study of these questions/critiques is crucial in order to both more deeply understand and to get beyond the methods, approaches, general work, etc. that embody what is being critiqued (and I understand that most serious revolutionaries would do this, not just base the truth of what is asserted on how it lines up with their personal experience, or how things seem to appear with certain assumptions and/or partial knowledge of other experience/involvement).
While there is a bad taste in my mouth from previous work with the party, (and though I have self-criticism to make with regard to this work) it remains true that no other organization in the US is doing what the RCP is on a number of levels, whether or not you agree with the culture of appreciation, promotion and popularization of Avakian. Case in point, counter protests to the armed KKK Jena march or even the AWAY WITH ALL GODS activities in Times Square against BattleCry- yes, there are better ways to expose the horrors of religion than the RCP has, especially by not equating fundamentalists with everyone or simplifying the beliefs religious people hold and thereby using arguments that don’t compel people as effectively as they could- But it still stands that there needs to be a radical alternative out there and the RCP’s encounters and struggles with those caught up with religiosity are not always a bad thing, in fact they can be very powerful.
If we want to change shit and think the RCP isn’t an org that can be worked with to do so, we have to get off our ass and out in the world and be more fully summing up the past socialist experiences and how to move forward while we are fighting to bring about the world we know is possible. I suppose this isn’t news to people, but…
What are we doing?
“The development of an alternative requires a moment of negation. There has already been some movement here towards an alternative – the other side of negation. It would be plain to someone with a scientific outlook.”
The last sentence here seems snide and condescending, in a way familiar to me of some when representing the parties views. The first seems a bad excuse. I see the development of an alternative as crucial (obviously) if the RCP isn’t it, no one is… yet. But does that come by sitting at a computer, or even solely writing much-needed and correct critiques of ideology, culture, art, etc. (which Kasama seems to provide)? Any real communist revolutionary would say of course not, that one must be an organizing force and create change by acting on this knowledge.
The statement that one needn’t know everything or even agree with everything with regard to an idea, ideology, movement, organization in order to align or involve oneself with it is true. I feel that we know a whole lot about what’s wrong and what must change fundamentally in order to get beyond the sickness of today’s society and all unnecessary world wide oppression. I agree that we don’t have a fully scientific summation of the socialist experiences this far (and of course if this is truly a scientific work it will continually change as we understand more about the world, the situation, ourselves, etc.), and that this is very important to move ahead theoretically, but that must not stop us and paralyze us from changing the world. Although we may not be facing a Christian Fascist takeover, there are dreadful precedents that have been set into motion under the current administration (and will keep coming) that will not be reversed short of something radical. I think there is an important point to “hastening while awaiting”, (that is not negated by the assertion [or fact] that what has been and is being done to “hasten” by the RCP is not going to do that)
At this point, I am desperate for even the inspiration to work towards making revolution. Once the contradictions of this system are exposed it is very hard to cover ones eyes, no matter the experience(s) one has had with organizations whose work reinforces the seeming impossibility of radical transformation to something better. And yet I can’t seem to find what would be worth my time. I’m so sick of just sitting around and talking about what’s wrong and right, we have to act. Any plans/ideas I could be informed of?
zerohour said
““The development of an alternative requires a moment of negation. There has already been some movement here towards an alternative – the other side of negation. It would be plain to someone with a scientific outlook.”
The last sentence here seems snide and condescending, in a way familiar to me of some when representing the parties views. The first seems a bad excuse. I see the development of an alternative as crucial (obviously) if the RCP isn’t it, no one is… yet. But does that come by sitting at a computer, or even solely writing much-needed and correct critiques of ideology, culture, art, etc. (which Kasama seems to provide)? Any real communist revolutionary would say of course not, that one must be an organizing force and create change by acting on this knowledge.”
Not going to respond to your entire piece just to the point where you took my quote out of context.
It was written in response to people who criticized Ely for leaving the RCP without having a fully fledged revolutionary organization to go to. This was raised by more than one person in more than one thread. I was getting impatient with the fact that the bad logic should have been obvious to its adherents.
The logic of the argument is that you should not leave a voluntary association without going to another one. I say “voluntary” to distinguish from a relatively “involuntary” one such as a job since we need jobs to survive under capitalism. Leaving a job without an immediate alternative would be disastrous. But…imagine if someone in a bad relationship wanted to leave and someone else says they shouldn’t until they have a new relationship to go to. How would you characterize that sort of argument?
YO said
To be clear, this is NOT the “RCP’s Public Response” to the 9 Letters, just like the email that Mike recieved that he posted as the “RCP’s response.” The above article is very clearly stated as what it is: A BASIC ORIENTATION. It obviously encompasses the 9 Letters, as well as (it seems) that E.G. Smith guy, MIM, and other “parasitic critics” that may emerge as the RCP goes forward. I suspect a “response” will come that will address some of the specific “unpricipled attacks” and “crude distortions” that are in the 9 Letters.
But while we’re waiting, the continued assertion that the above article is a “response” and not what it clearly states that it is (a basic orientation) — is one small distortion that represents the larger dishonest methodology that runs through the 9 Letters.
zerohour said
YO -
It might not be a point-by-point rebuttal but it IS a response. A response to a well-documented, rationally argued set of positions which echoes the sentiments of many who have otherwise been sympathetic to RCP. I doubt RCP are worried about E.G. Smith or even MIM, a fringe group who have been attacking the RCP for years. Party supporters have always ridiculed MIM as did much of the left. Anarchists have been attacking the Party for years and no response. I remember going to an anti-war rally in 2004 and receiving a Spart flyer specifically devoted to attacking the Party. No response to that either.
No, this was a response to the impact 9 Letters was having precisely because it is cogent and reflects the genuine spirit of openness the Party claims for itself. Others had made similar criticisms of the Party from different perspectives, but 9 Letters was the first to place them in a coherent framework with an orientation towards a revolutionary alternative. While it was a lightning rod for a critical interrogation of RCP, it has since expanded to a series of important discussions about different social contradictions in their own right.
You should be disturbed that this “orientation” lacks substance, preferring to rely ad hominem attacks instead but it seems you approve of this sort of argument.
As for RCP publishing a more detailed response, I’d look at this: “…nor do we believe that it is necessary to answer every such attack in order to clarify what is, in reality, the line and the work of our Party.” In other words, not likely.
YO said
You still don’t get it: This is an ORIENTATION — certainly IN response to the 9 Letters and other attacks on the Avakian and the Party — but that is different from a RESPONSE which would in fact answer 9 Letters with substance.
That said, there IS substance in this orientation. It lays out the basic purpose of the Party. It denounces those that would parasitically criticize with no radical alternative program of their own. It denounces the determinist realism of some of these critics (9 Letters included, I believe), that would bow to “existing realities.” And it lays out a basic orientation for how the Party deals with principled and unprincipled criticism. What aspect of this ORIENTATION do you disagree with?
The Cold Lamper said
It wasn’t just the coherency of the 9 Letters, or their orientation towards a revolutionary alternative, which I think gives them their force. I don’t think the Letters are necessarily unique in that regard.
It was the fact that these were done from a specifically Maoist revolutionary orientation, and that they were (by and large) created by no less than Mike Ely, who had been one of the most ardent defenders of the RCP over a course of decades. Only Mike, or a Mike (viewing him symbolically), could convince the remaining RCP cadres, steeped as they are in the increasingly siege-minded outlook of the Party, to treat any criticism of the Party with more than the contempt that a loud and unscrupulous minority of its critics (MIM, the Sparts, et. al.) rightly receive from them.
It’s like that old Vulcan proverb says: “Only Nixon could go to China.”
Anon said
And it lays out a basic orientation for how the Party deals with principled and unprincipled criticism. What aspect of this ORIENTATION do you disagree with?
It’s funny, because following this orientation that the paper has put out they WOULD actually respond to the 9 Letters.
But they won’t.
memyselfandI said
First, let me say that I thought that the Basic Orientation article was excellent, and indicates that the RCP is continuing to focus on what it views as the main tasks to be accomplished. Second, let me mention that at least one RCP member that I spoke to recently in New York indicated that they believed a more detailed response to the 9 Letters was probably coming. Third, readers of this site should note that the RCP, in March, has announced that they are holding a series of meetings around the country to discuss the topic of the new synthesis that Bob Avakian’s work represents. In the past, when individuals or groups within the RCP and/or its predecessor organization have had differences with the line of the party (or previously the organization), there ultimately have been detailed polemics, sometimes internally, but often ultimately published publically. I believe that the leadership of the RCP is very much devoted to the notion that correct line does develop through two line struggle. I would encourage readers of this site to come to those meetings in their localities, to listen to what is presented, and to raise questions or criticisms. Those meetings, however, will, I am sure, NOT be places for critics to make their own “speeches.” I would hope that this site would publicize the fact that such meetings are being held.
zerohour said
“I thought that the Basic Orientation article was excellent”
Can you spell out whatever criticisms you may have of the 9 Letters?
memyselfandI said
I will probably do so at some time in the near future. It will take me a bit of time, however. I am not, just to make that clear, a member of the RCP, RCYB, or a “supporter” in the sense of working very close with the party, but am someone favorably impressed with the contact I have had, and the materials I have read, so I don’t speak for anyone but myself.
Ulises said
My basic problem towards the RCP’s “Orientation” is that it announces a verdict which, as a democratic centralist organization, everyone under discipline must uphold and defend. And it announces this verdict BEFORE there has been an in depth public analysis of the criticisms leveled at them. Moreover, the “Orientation” says, “In some cases, we may respond to such an attack—particularly where we believe it can serve as a useful “teacher by negative example,” and refuting it will enable people to get a sharper and deeper sense of the correct, revolutionary and communist, ideological and political line, in opposition to opportunist lines of various kinds, and to understand more clearly where these opposing lines will lead and with what consequences for the masses of people.” What is all this but obvious evidence of the proof-texting and apriorist thinking that Avakian claims to abhor?
On the claims of Yo regarding whether the “Orientation” is a response or not, you give us a perfect example of the logic of the “fetish of the word”. Where everyone can recognize the “Orientation” as a response to criticisms, and in particular the criticisms of the 9 Letters, you insist that there are two levels of response 1) an orientation which characterizes a general group of critics and 2) the “official” response. Basically you’re saying it’s a response, but since the RCP doesn’t call it a response it’s unfair for people to recognize it as anything except an “orientation”, which somewhere along your train of logic has changed to no longer being a response.
I’ve heard a lot about the RCP giving a more in depth response to the 9 Letters. But because of the “Orientation” we already know what the “deeper” response is going to say. The only thing missing is the reasoning, which the RCP will rally around its verdict. If it’s anything like the sloppy work in reporting on Venezuela (where referenced numbers were off by remarkable margins, and where all of the counter-evidence against Lotta’s pre-formed verdict was ignored, and then later shoe-horned in), then the only thing which is going to be learned is how amazingly superficial much of the RCP’s analysis is.
MemyselfandI wrote:
“I will probably do so at some time in the near future. It will take me a bit of time, however.”
I could see how it could take quite a lot of time to pull some reasoning together as to why the “Orientation” is excellent. But I hope this doesn’t mean that you’ll wait for the RCP’s “official” response, which their supporters keep trumpeting, before you arrive at your reasoning. Which would be the same thing as saying that the “Orientation” is excellent because the “Orientation” is true, and the “Orientation” is true because the Party says so. This would be nothing but circular logic based in faith, perhaps obscured with some fine rhetoric, appeals to the authority, and a series of mischaracterizations of critics and criticisms.
Maybe you should have your reasoning BEFORE you make declarations on something.
memyselfandI said
Hold on there, Ulises. The question zerohour asked me was, “Can you spell out whatever criticisms you may have of the 9 Letters?”
Given the length of the 9 Letters document, and the number of topics and issues it raises, I don’t think my saying that it will take me a bit of time to write out my criticisms of it indicates some kind of circular reasoning or “faith-based” reasoning. The 9 Letters, according to its own text, was written over a course of quite a few months, involving a number of people. So before you jump to “accuse” me of not having any reasoning before I speak, how about waiting just a bit until I DO speak, and judge what I DO say? Fair enough? And when I do, obviously as an individual, I will NOT address every issue in the 9 Letters–I don’t have any adequate basis to do so, but I will respond to some of the major things 9 Letters raised.
Why do I think that the “Basic Orientation” article is excellent? Well, rather obviously, because I don’t share the general assessment the 9 Letters makes of the practical work, method of work, theoretical work, and direction of the party’s activity, or of its internationalism, among other topics. I think they’ve made some important theoretical breakthroughs in terms of envisioning the road to socialism and communism, done important work in combatting the attacks on the legacy of socialist countries, and have done important work in responding to the current situation that the people find themselves in in this country and the world. I think the party should be supported and defended, and that it does, in fact, represent the real best hope for a path forward for the people of this country as a component of the international proletarian revolution.
I also have the utmost respect for Bob Avakian for the consistent role he has played, over the years, in line struggle against the left-in-form, right in essence Franklin (Venceramos) line, the narrow nationalism of the BWC, et al., the economist line and pro Deng (capitalist restoration)line of the Mensheviks (Bergman-Jarvis), etc.
I don’t see a contradiction between Avakian’s call for open wrangling, and abandonment of some of the outmoded baggage of the ICM and the call for a culture of appreciation and popularization of his work. Lines are usually represented by leaders, who help develop them.
Why do I think the “Basic Orientations” article is excellent? Because I think that my overall assessment is that the criticims made in the 9 Letters are, as a whole wrong, and that the RCP should indeed focus on continuing to develop the campaigns they have outlined, and that, while the party should ultimately respond in more detail in some kind of polemic concerning the text of the 9 Letters, that it would be a mistake for that to be their major focus right now. I have no doubt that, in the course of continuing to take out their line to the people, such as in the public meetings they’ve announced, the difference between the party’s approach and the approach in the 9 Letters will become more demarcatied and clear.
Ulises said
MemyselfandI:
First of all, you did speak. You spoke when you said the “Orientation” was excellent without giving any reasoning. Secondly, the actual reasoning you end up giving is to simply state that the Party is right, and the 9 Letters are wrong, therefore the “Orientation” is excellent.
I misread the back and forth between you and zerohour. That was sloppy of me, but I don’t think it takes much away from the point that simply stating how “excellent” you find the “Orientation” to be is pretty much the same as simply repeating the accusations in the “Orientation”, without substantiating them.
In stating that you think that the “Orientation” is excellent you seem to be not only saying that you disagree with the criticisms of the 9 Letters, but you seem to be agreeing with the characterization of them in the “Orientation”. In this respect, perhaps you can point out some “distortions” in the 9 Letters. Perhaps you could account for the accusations of parasitism or “so-called communists”, and why you find them to be so excellent. Alternatively, perhaps you can explain exactly what it is in the RCP’s present plan that you find to be correct for hastening a revolution.
At any rate, your reasoning given here IS a simple statement that the RCP is right, that the 9 Letters are wrong, and that therefore the “Orientation” is excellent.
On another subject you briefly mention:
While I am not all that interested in whether people are members, supporters, leaders, fellow-travelers, or frankly what their specific ties to the RCP are, I do believe that the ambiguity over who speaks for that organization is opportunistically used to distance itself from taking responsibility for the actions of its cadre. Actions which ARE informed by the line of the RCP. I find it politically dishonest.
But I also find it to be indicative of a deeper held understanding of line, that is, there is one true line, this line reflects reality, and the Party (Avakian) always has this line. This line is expressed in very exact phrases and slogans, a script. Any wavering from that script is in fact opposed to the one true line. If one was to adhere strictly to such theory/practice the line of the Party would never be expressed because even objective truths are ultimately expressed by subjects. Unless of course it was expressed by memorizing Avakian’s mouthful sentence, or reading out loud Bob Avakian quotes verbatim, or even entire hour long segments of his Revolution speech.
It seems to me these latter practices of the Party are indicative of a whole world of incorrect thinking. The bottom line (no pun intended) is that once a revolutionary idea is out of its bag it gets twisted, distorted, turned upside down, and inside out in its interaction with real thinking people facing real concrete situations. This is what you HOPE for. The sum of this IS the line as it objectively interacts with reality. Revolutionary line isn’t primarily a reflection of reality, it is primarily a guide to changing it (based upon some understanding of what you are changing of course). The objectivity of line only exists in this interaction, it doesn’t exist in some a priori reflection of reality. To refuse to understand this, and to argue for some legalistic or formalistic insistence on exact phrases and slogans, and to deny the ability of thinking people to translate your ideas into their lives, and vice versa, is not revolutionary. It’s something closer to religious thinking. At the same time, it is to disassociate the organization and its one-true-line from the objective effects of exactly that line when put into practice by actual people regardless of what you call them (cadre, members, supporters, etc).
Of course this is all within reason. Written and spoken words do have particular meanings. And those can ultimately be lost, in content, if there is too much distortion. But the opposite is just as true. One can repeat Avakian’s phrases word for word as one actually puts forward an opposing line. I used to think this latter aspect characterized what was wrong with the RCP, but ultimately Avakian’s own inability to fully explain his own extravagant claims of having the most advanced expression of communism is what made me begin to think that Avakian’s line inherently has multiple levels, and that those levels contradict each other in practice and theory. And the insistence that if you just read it enough times, or read it hard enough you would obviously see the truth of it, along with the inability of anyone to explain it without simply telling you to read it yet again, sealed the deal, so to speak. In this respect I look forward to the March 9th event. I’m hoping for a long overdue explanation, but I’m expecting a rehash of the claims rather than some substance to back them up.
Pavel said
“Matters of Principle and Standards” reads the RCP’s response, part 2, to the Kasama site.
“Matters which are internal to a communist organization but which that organization, for whatever reason, has not decided to discuss publicly, are not things which should be discussed publicly by anyone…”
“This is a matter of standards that is elementary and basic…”
What a load of pompous, condescending bullshit. Translated: Anyone leaving the party—for whatever reasons, reasons they want to explain in careful fashion precisely because of their commitment to the party’s long-time revolutionary cause—should just shut the fuck up! Because, goddamn it, if you don’t you might embarrass and weaken the party as it proceeds in the errors you’re identifying. The critics ought to just retire from political activism and go to their graves with their criticisms, in order to observe “elementary and basic standards.”
And this:
“If and when the RCP itself decides to make public things which have been adopted through the internal processes of the Party—as has been done, for example, with the 1995 Leadership Resolutions—then of course the Party will not only be willing but anxious to engage with as many people as possible in discussion about these things.
Makes me wanna puke.
zerohour said
Pavel -
Unlike the first statement which appears to be aimed at all criticism, this one is obviously aimed at 9 Letters but still won’t refer to it directly. Why?
I’m going to speculate a bit and say that it reflects the Party’s distrust of the people. They’re afraid that if people read Ely’s piece before the Party can put a spin on it, they might not come out the other end agreeing with the Party.
redflags said
I’m going to speculate a bit and say that it reflects the Party’s distrust of the people. They’re afraid that if people read Ely’s piece before the Party can put a spin on it, they might not come out the other end agreeing with the Party.
That’s a fair speculation. This isn’t about security – but straight-up political dishonesty, putting whole matters of “basic orientation” or “principles and standards” totally out off the table. This trains cadre to do what they are told as a matter of training.
It’s smoke and mirrors…
It’s Bob Avakian as Wizard of Oz.
It’s a deeply authoritarian method, which is another reason the Nine Letters are not directly referenced.
These letters take great care not to “tell tales out of school.” By not naming the document they are responding to, the author(s) of this second non-response sidestep any substantive, plainly political issues and rule the whole matter out of order, dangerous, sleazy, to be avoided under sanction, etc.
Neat trick, huh?
Here’s the problem: the RCP’s line at this point is a plain bait-and-switch. People step forward inspired by revolutionary ideas, “they say they will.”
People attracted to revolutionary politics are not (generally) looking for messiahs and saviors. That tends to be the terrain of right-wing organizations. Or, in the case of Obama, an offer on the part of this system to accept the blank check of “hope” – personified in a person and existing position in society. It is not “revolutionary” in the sense of what a vanguard party does (or ought to do): turn the objects of history into its subjects.
So there is a constant tension between a broad base of active supporters, themselves excluded from party life yet crucial to campaigns. I was among this milieu off and on for many years, a committed communist who could not swallow the cult of personality or sectarian habits that are nothing new. I have no tales of internal life to share, but I am a very close observer in the twists and turns the RCP has gone through.
From public declarations, we know that the RCP is an entirely top-down organization. We know that Avakian was declared more equal than others in 1995. In other words, everything in the organization comes down directly from one man, no matter how tightly that wrap this personality in the mantle of the world revolution…
This isn’t telling a secret – the RCP insists on discussing it and promoting this backwards vision of communist leadership as a primary task.
It is, in a strange way, a vision of socialism as constitutional monarchy, shrouded in Jacobin intrigue.
With a constitutional monarchy, there is ostensibly a democracy to elect the government (think elasticity) but a sovereign monarch who “is” the state (think “solid core”).
To point out the ideological and practical development of this farce is not unprincipled.
Bottom line: this method of dealing with disagreement is actually new, it’s a departure from a proud history of serious ideological engagement, and further demonstrates how brittle the RCP has become.
Ruling primary discussion out of order, tarring critics as unprincipled (without even bothering to note how), and locking down members and supporters – these are not the signs of an organization prepared to lead. They are the hallmarks of a sect.
redflags said
Here’s this week’s Revolution installment of the Wizard of Oz chronicles:
If anyone wishes to evaluate what such an organization actually stands for and is working to achieve, there is plenty of basis to do so—and in fact the best basis to do so—by reading the official documents and other publications of that organization and by familiarizing oneself with the practical work that this organization carries out.
In other words, “judge this book by its cover.”
Please.
Mike E said
I have posted a response here on Kasama.
Post this around. Share it by email.