Kasama

Non-dogmatic…fiercely revolutionary

New Constitution of RCP: Faltering Organization Stamped by Avakianism

Posted by Mike E on August 11, 2008

click here for the full document

The Revolutionary Communist Party has finally published at least one final outcome of their v-e-e-e-e-e-e-ry long program process.

After publishing a draft version of their program in 2001 (!), the whole process came to an abrupt and long halt because of the intense struggle that imposed the appreciation of Bob Avakian as “the cardinal question” for communists.

Now that new line is being enshrined in their new constitution — encapsulated in a number of revealing preoccupations, formulations and verdicts.

We will be discussing key developments of this document — including its abandonment of the term “Marxism-Leninism-Maoism.”

*   *  *  *

Note: For purposes of review, we have posted a few deliberately brief excerpts below. For full context and argumentation, we suggest people to examine the document itself — posted here for distribution on the RCP’s own website. When it becomes available for purchase, we urge  you to buy your own personal copy at your local Revolution bookstore.

* * * * *

This document is (as you will see) far more than a party constitution. It is nothing short of a new mini-program — which suggests that the previous “New Draft Programme of the RCP” will soon be put to rest — along with its various formulations that are now considered revisionist.

But as you will see it is far more than that: The publication announcement says that it “lays out the mission and vision of a new stage of communist revolution, informed by Bob Avakian’s new synthesis of communist theory.” This is a coming-out document for the RCP’s new ideology, and it is appropriate that they use the occasion to retire their previous terminology of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism.

There are many things to note about this peculiar document, even on first pass. In this new document, the ideology of the RCP is labeled simply as “Communism as a Science” and we can expect that to be their official usage for decribing Avakianism (a term they are not themselves using.)

People around the RCP have come to expect a very cramped and restricted discussion of all such developments. The very-slightly experimental days of 2changetheworld feel long gone.

But we at Kasama can at least provide a forum for some critical exploration to help evaluate this revealing new milestone on the RCP’s road.

* * * * * * *

Here are some excerpts for review — taken from its closing section.  They give a flavor of the whole

Appendix: Communism as a Science

Communism is both a science and a revolutionary political movement. It is also a goal—not a utopia, but a liberating goal whose potential basis lies within the situation that confronts humanity, a situation where a leap is possible to a radically different and much better world.

To understand the world, and to change it in the interests of humanity, people need scientific theory. Science is not some set of mysterious laws “belonging to the scientists.” Science, all real science, is a vital human activity that aims to learn the causes of phenomena the reasons why things happen and how they develop—and it seeks these causes in the material world, which includes human society. A scientific approach does not seek supernatural “explanations” nor does it accept any explanations which cannot be tested, and verified or disproved, in the real material world, but instead develops an initial theory based on evidence from the world, tests out the theory in actual practice and against the results achieved, and through this process arrives at a deepened understanding of what is true. That understanding must then be further applied to reality.

Communism is a radical rupture from all religious outlooks. It has shown the way out of the spiritual slavery in which oppressed classes have been chained throughout history. It matters to know what’s real. There is no need to invent gods who supposedly control the natural world and humanity’s destiny. Without a scientific outlook, people are deprived of an understanding of the means and dynamics of change, of their own potential role in bringing about change—and of the joys and grandeur of discovery….

* * * * *

Here is an excerpt from this appendix expressing the central role the RCP’s now assigns the person and theories of its chairman.

All of this poses, anew, the great need for communism. While there are no socialist states in the world, there is the experience of socialist revolutions and there is the rich body of revolutionary, scientific theory that developed through the first wave of socialist revolutions to build on. But the theory and practice of communist revolution requires advances to meet the challenges of this situation—to scientifically address, and draw the necessary lessons from, the overall experience of this first wave of socialist revolution and the strategic implications of the vast changes taking place in the world.

Bob Avakian has taken on this responsibility, and has developed a communist body of work and method and approach that responds to these great needs and challenges.

He has undertaken a scientific summation of the first wave of socialist revolutions, in the Soviet Union and China. And, as a starting point, he has refuted the notion of the “death of communism,” upholding the great accomplishments of these revolutions, and has developed further analysis of the real problems they confronted in the societies they “inherited,” and in taking the first steps of socialist transformation in an imperialist-dominated world. Upholding, as by far the main aspect of these revolutions, the liberating changes they produced on many levels for the great majorities of the formerly oppressed, Avakian has also analyzed the negative aspects of this experience. This has involved critically examining both political and philosophical conceptions that guided this first wave of socialist revolution. A scientific summation of this experience, and the criticisms of it, requires a recasting and recombining on the basis of a materialist and dialectical outlook and method, in accordance with the need to continue revolution—advancing to communism.

Out of this work, Avakian has developed a new synthesis. This new synthesis has many dimensions—encompassing philosophy, politics and strategy. In its political conception of socialist society, this new synthesis is solidly based on a full appreciation of the essential need for the proletariat, in a concentrated way through its vanguard party, to lead and to firmly hold onto state power, without which all the gains of the revolution will be lost and all the horrors of capitalism will be back with a vengeance. But it also involves new conceptions of how communist leadership and revolutionary state power should be exercised—in order to give full expression to the all-around liberating potential of socialist society, and to maximize, at every point, the transformations toward communism. This envisions that, along with building on previous socialist forms of involving the masses in the administration of society and exercising power, a much greater degree of ferment and dissent should characterize socialist society than previously—not only because it is important for there to be real liveliness, but to serve a process of involving the broadest masses in the deepest possible wrangling with issues, in order to get at the truth more fully and to advance the masses’ understanding, involvement and capacity to enter into, and transform, all spheres of society. While the former capitalist exploiters will not be allowed rights to organize for their return, opposition among the broadest masses to various policies and even to socialism itself will not be suppressed—it will be debated and struggled over—as long as that opposition does not take the form of organized attempts to overthrow the socialist state.

This new synthesis also involves a greater appreciation of the important role of intellectuals and artists in this whole process, both pursuing their own visions and contributing their ideas to this broader ferment—all, again, necessary to get a much richer process going. The socialist state, including the army and the courts, must be responsible to the party; but they must also be responsible to a socialist Constitution, which the party must not seek to “go around,” and which must guarantee basic rights and legal procedures, along with characterizing the basic forms of the socialist state and economy at a given stage of the revolution. The aim is to provide a legal framework for a given stage of ongoing revolutionary transformations under socialism, and for people, by having clearly spelled out and institutionalized rules and rights, to have ease of mind and liveliness, along with some “space.”

In short, in this new synthesis as developed by Bob Avakian, there must be a solid core, with a lot of elasticity. This is, first of all, a method and approach that applies in a very broad way. It is based on the scientific understanding that reality is, indeed, real—and it consists of particular forms of matter in motion, each with a specific identity—but at the same time every particular thing is moving, changing, interacting with other things at different levels. A clear grasp of both aspects of this, and their inter-relation, is necessary in understanding and transforming reality, in all its spheres, and is crucial to making revolutionary transformations in human society.

This method and approach appreciates the need for leadership—including identifying times and circumstances when clear and firm conclusions can and must be drawn, and leadership given directly and very decisively. It also means identifying times and circumstances when you cannot and/or should not do that. This is an approach to leadership that also appreciates that there are many circumstances in which a much greater degree of “elasticity” is not only possible but very necessary—leadership that appreciates the need for, and encourages, broad initiative, creativity, contestation of views and ferment. There is no such thing as solid core with no elasticity, or all elasticity without a solid core. In exercising revolutionary leadership, it is necessary to learn while leading, and to lead while learning. It is necessary to both work to expand a leading core (which itself is continually going through changes) and necessary to encourage elasticity to the greatest degree possible at a given time—while keeping a clear “eye on the prize” of revolution and communism through all this….

As Avakian himself has summarized it:

This new synthesis involves a recasting and recombining of the positive aspects of the experience so far of the communist movement and of socialist society, while learning from the negative aspects of this experience, in the philosophical and ideological as well as the political dimensions, so as to have a more deeply and firmly rooted scientific orientation, method and approach* with regard not only to making revolution and seizing power but then, yes, to meeting the material requirements of society and the needs of the masses of people, in an increasingly expanding way, in socialist society—overcoming the deep scars of the past and continuing the revolutionary transformation of society, while at the same time actively supporting the world revolutionary struggle and acting on the recognition that the world arena and the world struggle are most fundamental and important, in an overall sense—together with opening up qualitatively more space to give expression to the intellectual and cultural needs of the people, broadly understood, and enabling a more diverse and rich process of exploration and experimentation in the realms of science, art and culture, and intellectual life overall, with increasing scope for the contention of different ideas and schools of thought and for individual initiative and creativity and protection of individual rights, including space for individuals to interact in “civil society” independently of the state—all within an overall cooperative and collective framework and at the same time as state power is maintained and further developed as a revolutionary state power serving the interests of the proletarian revolution, in the particular country and worldwide, with this state being the leading and central element in the economy and in the overall direction of society, while the state itself is being continually transformed into something radically different from all previous states, as a crucial part of the advance toward the eventual abolition of the state with the achievement of communism on a world scale. (“Making Revolution and Emancipating Humanity,” Part 1)…

Communism: a living synthesis

As Bob Avakian has expressed it, communism is an integral philosophy and political theory at the same time as it is a living, critical and continuously developing science. It is not the quantitative addition of the ideas of the individuals who have played a leading role in developing it (nor is it the case that every particular idea, policy or tactic adopted by them has been without error). Communist ideology is a synthesis of the development and especially the qualitative breakthroughs that communist theory has developed since its founding by Marx up to the present time.

And as communism, in theory and as a revolutionary movement, picks itself up and goes forward into the challenges of the times, our party, the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA, takes to heart the following from Bob Avakian’s book For a Harvest of Dragons:

“In the final analysis, as Engels once expressed it, the proletariat must win its emancipation on the battlefield. But there is not only the question of winning in this sense but of how we win in the largest sense. One of the significant if perhaps subtle and often little-noticed ways in which the enemy, even in defeat, seeks to exact revenge on the revolution and sow the seed of its future undoing is in what he would force the revolutionaries to become in order to defeat him. It will come to this: we will have to face him in the trenches and defeat him amidst terrible destruction but we must not in the process annihilate the fundamental difference between the enemy and ourselves. Here the example of Marx is illuminating: he repeatedly fought at close quarters with the ideologists and apologists of the bourgeoisie but he never fought them on their terms or with their outlook; with Marx his method is as exhilarating as his goal is inspiring. We must be able to maintain our firmness of principles but at the same time our flexibility, our materialism and our dialectics, our realism and our romanticism, our solemn sense of purpose and our sense of humor.”

for the full unexcerpted appendix

52 Responses to “New Constitution of RCP: Faltering Organization Stamped by Avakianism”

  1. JB Connors said

    I am wondering what my former comrades in the old RCP are thinking when they read this.

    If the line of the party is correct—if it corresponds to and “captures” the essential motion and development of reality, and correctly identifies the pathways of revolutionary practice—then no matter how small it might be at any given time, the party will still be able to advance toward revolution and contribute to the emancipation of humanity so long as it takes this correct line as the foundation of its internal life and its work among the masses.

    “then no matter how small it might be at any given time” — whew, what really jumps out at me is the degree of defensiveness. What a tiny little world. If you had any doubts. If any of my former comrades are reading their new constitution and reading this, I say to you: you need to come to grips with the fact that the RCP is lost.

    Here’s another :
    “Party members actively report to their units, and to leadership, what they are learning and thinking.”

    This new principle and demand on membership (that they regularly report on their own thinking to leadership) is the making of rather cultish methods and obsessions.

    Comrades, if you are reading this, put it together, face what it means. This is not the line of an organization ready to engender unprecedented freedom of debate. This is a vision of locked down nasty world you wouldn’t want to create or be a part of. This course is a defensive, frightened, failing, locked down political current that is drying up and dying.

  2. Iris said

    “reality is, indeed, real.”

    It’s the epistomological break!

  3. Iris said

    JB, I have seen, several times now, a method used by cadre which disturbs me and I’m wondering if this ‘report what you are thinking’ business is related.

    A friend of mine who occasionally sells the paper, and has argued with cadre in favor of the 9L as well, has, after intense discussions of his views on this or that subject or event, been asked to “sum [the conversation in it's entirety!] up” for higher level cadre. Like cadre will walk into the RBO as a casual discussion winds down, and he is put on the spot right there: “Why don’t you sum up what you just said for so-and-so?”

    He usually complies reluctantly, only to be chastised and “struggled with”–basically told he is wrong on this and this and this point, BA says this, etc. This is a corrective to his thoughts which, naturally, don’t line up with the RCP.

    Is this common practice in the Party? I find it incredibly offensive, and while it may come down to particular insensitivity in particular individuals, it really seems to be a perfect example of how you never tell people what to think, your organizational culture does.

  4. Quorri said

    I just had to say, HAHA…..(but it’s actually not funny, huh? just kind of really depressing. more later….

  5. Iris said

    I’m reading the entire document right now, and I’m wondering–not to sound monumentally silly–but is ‘communism’ and ‘marxism’ used interchangeably by everyone? And is communism itself actually a science, or is it just something that should be scientific?

  6. Iris said

    That last quote from “A Harvest of Dragons” is really sad. It seems the way the party has engaged with it’s critics has not been so principled or flexible.

    Moderator, could you combine this post with my above, to save space? thanks.

  7. another note said

    This enshrines Avakian as leader in the very constitution of the organization.

    That’s different, even if it only brings the organization’s pseudo-legalism into line with its actual practice.

    “No matter how small” means: even if this organization is literally Bob Avakian’s talking mouth and a handful of ears – so long as Avakian is right, which is he by virtue of his uniquitude (what real is, in fact, real!), then who cares if it’s just a car broken down to the side of the revolutionary road. The expectation that correct line would lead to, um, results, is taken as pragmatism. This organization line document is absurd at face value.

    A communist party moves towards communism. A sect enshrines any set of ideas outside of goals. Sects are self-contained and satisfied with their doctrine of truth. Parties lead, represent, organize and mobilize a social base for a political program. The differences are so stark only because the RCP can’t even tell the difference.

    Avakian has entered his Fat Elvis phase.

  8. Iris said

    Oh, I didn’t even think of that–I was told by cadre that avakian was elected. Does this mean he doesn’t get elected any more?

  9. Mike E said

    to be clear, “another note”:

    This Constitution enshrines Avakian’s synthesis are the core doctrine of that party. But it does not actually formally enshrine him (statutorally) as permanent chairman.

    When it describes Avakian’s personal position in the party, it calls him the “founding Chair” for the first time — and I believe that subtle innovation was done precisely to not imply that his position as chair is FORMALLY enscribed. Formally, he is the chair of the central committee, and the statutes put the selection of the chair in the hands of that committee.

    whether things run the other way around (in fact), and whether that central committee is (in fact) actually chosen by its chairman is another matter. (Reality is real! Statutes are often not.)

  10. zerohour said

    Iris said:

    “He usually complies reluctantly, only to be chastised and “struggled with”–basically told he is wrong on this and this and this point, BA says this, etc. This is a corrective to his thoughts which, naturally, don’t line up with the RCP.

    Is this common practice in the Party? I find it incredibly offensive, and while it may come down to particular insensitivity in particular individuals, it really seems to be a perfect example of how you never tell people what to think, your organizational culture does.”

    I think we should consider how a static and ahistorical conception of democratic centralism reflects and reinforces a tendency to restrict critical questioning, theoretical development, and creative organizing at all levels of organization. As RCP frames it, democratic centralism isn’t just an organizing principle it reflects an epistemological approach. The premise is that ideas among the masses, from localized experiences are scattered and incoherent and can only be synthesized at higher levels of organization. Afterwards, this synthesis, representing the most revolutionary aspects of the masses’ thought can be proposed in the form of a political strategy. This, roughly speaking, is their idea of mass line. Visually it can be represented as a wheel with all spokes pointing to and emanating from the center. But spokes don’t intersect with each other.

    When RCP insists that one writes down their thoughts to be channeled upward, it reproduces an atomizing logic, not unlike voting in bourgeois elections in which the individual is supposed to interact with the organization as an isolated entity. Due to a commitment to rigid discipline, all levels of organization are compelled to expound the official policy until the center pronounces on it. Which is one reason why they struggled with Iris’s friend to get him to see how wrong he was, rather than convening a discussion to take his points seriously and work them through.

    In the rigid model as practiced by RCP, there is a circular logic at work. Since synthesis can’t occur at lower levels, it is pointless to find ways to facilitate this, so it doesn’t officially occur, only confirming that it can’t happen…and so on, and so on. Unfortunately reality is a stubborn thing and people do speak to each other and make real efforts to understand the world with or without a pronouncement from a central committee. Being unable, and/or unwilling, to see the value of this process, RCP leadership work to diminish it or try squash it until contradictions erupt and whole sections of support decide that they are better off developing other spaces for revolutionary praxis.

  11. another note said

    Communism as a goal and idea is not scientific. It has long been a largely utopian, idealistic conception. Marxism arose not just from the proletarian movement as such, but in the scientific struggle against utopianism, idealism and non-revolutionary socialisms. The claim that communism is itself a science is a religious claim, that confuses ways of knowing with relations of production and reproduction.

    Dialectical materialism is a scientific method. It is not itself a science, like physics or biology. Without a scientific approach we are lost, which is to say a grounding in materialist methods and worldview and an understanding that things can’t be understood in their living motion without an understanding of dialectics (change and motion).

    Avakian is a scientismist.

    Like JB, I wonder how committed communists can seriously embrace this stuff. The only answer I can come up with, after listening to people’s raps over the last year, is a weird logic: the world is intolerable, revolution needs organization, any organization is better than none, therefore we have to accept this Avakian cult as the price of admission because “nothing else is on the horizon”. So there’s a short-circuit in the logic that precludes a serious assessment of where the RCP is at (which is to say: spent).

    I say this not to encourage quietism, but to note we can’t solve problems without admitting them. This is not the RCP’s problem alone, at all. The problem is that there is no vanguard political force in the United States, that we are weak, divided and often confused. We don’t have to be, but we will remain caught in sects and eddies of one kind or another until we start pushing forward and stop putting our heads in the sand.

  12. Nando said

    very perceptive, zerohour. My experience, Iris, is that this practice is generalized: that the RCP’s political life now involves a great deal of constant reporting upwards of the comments and thoughts and musings of both members and supporters — for the purpose of identifying stray and dissident thoughts and handling them expeditiously. Communists are rebels? Critical thinkers? No. Now that “it is all there for the taking” communists are followers, or else.

    The idea of a society where such practices are considered normal, where divergent views of each individually are exhaustively recorded and tracked is (needless to say) pretty creepy, and seems to have wandered in from some anti-communist dystopia.

    It is a situation of permanent distrust of the cadre, a defacto return to notions of a monolithic party (done in the name of “solid core”), and interestingly enough: in the statutes, the treatment of people who fight for pulling the party in a different direction is put in the same section with handling police agents.

  13. another note said

    Mike: of course this document “enshrines” Avakian.

    Consitutions that quote the current, founding, always maximum leader are ways of saying its that guy’s organization – NOT a political party. You’re bending over backwards to accept this jibber jabber at its own word. Why accept their imposed fetish of the word/fetish of the leader in its own conceits?

  14. cassiusghost said

    From Iris,

    [quote] He usually complies reluctantly, only to be chastised and “struggled with”–basically told he is wrong on this and this and this point, BA says this, etc. This is a corrective to his thoughts which, naturally, don’t line up with the RCP. [end quote]

    This is but one common method of indoctrination, some call it programming, used by any number of groups or sects; i.e. those usually of a metaphysical or “spiritual” type, or more precisely what Aldous Huxley wrote of as “group-think” in Brave New World.

    It is not really a dangerous trait, but misleading for those wanting to engage in critical thinking, since so much time is spent understanding the vocabulary of the “programmed.”

    On a grand scale we are trained so much similar blather in our youthful days with “The Pledge of Allegience” or the Christian’s “Lord’s Prayer” – in adulthood, if one’s American brain matures that far, they become innocuous and of little value – much like reciting the catholic’s “Holy Rosary.”

    It is fascinating just how long it took for the RCP to come up with this “Constitution” as Mike Ely points out the “draft” has been in the works since 2001. Really longer if one considers the earlier version first pounded out with the homosexual controversy etched in the organization’s monolithic stone long ago during the eighties.

    It is sickening that Bob has even allowed this thing, Avakianism, to not only flower – during the late eighties after the “One Hundred Flowers” short period, after his big character poster (of him, of course) was plastered all over the country (which I reluctantly posted, as my now dead Iranian comrades, humored me with the “Revolution in the Eighties – Go for it!” slogan); through the long years of the nineties and the self-cultivation of the Avakian personality cult. I left it to be decided by the “inner party” struggle among those that were supposed to know better. Eventually, I too was purged, that’s my word – purged.

    The party called it “censured” – almost like it had a copyright on the words “revolution” or “communism” – and I won’t be surprised to read eventually someday that they will try the same legal remedies to the pain Kasama must be inflicting on them today. I predict that eventually, a “fair use” infringement on the numerous quotes from their periodicals will come in the form of some legal writ – to stop Kasama’s efforts.

    My “heart” was with what the RCP started, but my intuition, if such an abstract congnitive construct exists, told me the cult was just beginning, back in the late eighties. It psychologically damaged others, too. I take this time to write this now, after reading extensive portions of this “new” Constitution because I would like to “report” something on this important Kasama thread.

    I took the liberty of contacting many of my old comrades of the RCP during the mid to late eighties around the country. They too had a falling out, or stopped their associations with the organization after the early to mid nineties.

    I spent quite a bit of time on the phone and through email trying to discuss the mere existance of Kasama as an important event, if for no other purpose than as a healing from the pain caused by our involvements with the RCP. Dear Readers, several of these former comrades did some serious prison time, after some very serious stiff sentences were handed out to them for what today would seem rather harmless actions. The party decapitated those that survived the actions, and let the others flounder for their defense, and eventually rot in prison.

    I cannot discuss particulars on this public channel, but suffice it to say, what was done in no way would even constitute a terrorist crime, as defined under today’s draconian laws. A very trite felony involving property destruction amounting to less than a couple hundred bucks in damages.

    I regret to inform the readers that none contacted, not one, would even consider discussing anything related to the RCP, or Kasama efforts at re-invigorating debate to salvage what was, at one time what was good about RCP organization.

    Comrades, it is with extreme regret that if any systematic study and footwork is done about those who have fallen out from these critical periods of the mid eighties to late nineties in the RCP’s history, hundreds, thousands maybe tens of thousands have been thrown aside for the expediency of Bob and his supporter’s ever tightening grip.

    The machinery of language and it’s use is but a small problem with these folks.

  15. Iris said

    I just wanted to throw in how casual these conversations were. I mean, political talk between a friend and cadre–then the spokesperson walks in and the cadre involved in conversation calls the spokesperson over, or whoever, and demands a summation. How humiliating.

    I have noticed rigorous note-taking at discussions where speech is assigned to particular persons. A lot of summations of events in the paper now seem geared this way: backgrounds, race/class/gender and affirmative comments from attendees. “One enthusiastic proletarian youth said this…” or “One suburban [read: white] activist said ‘this is a road map out of this shit…’”

    I mean, I hate to sound like I’m appealing to anti-communist sentiments here, and I hope no one thinks that. But this shit is the truth. I am constantly referred to ‘higher ups’, ‘the RBO in New York’, even BA himself. It goes into ether. How out of touch do you have to be to think the following is a correct expression of democratic centralism:

    ME: So why has Revolution been silent on Nepal since 2006?

    CADRE: Oh there has been tons of support for Nepal! Here is an article supporting them from R [reads article]

    ME: …when is that dated?

    CADRE: Hmmm ['sincere' curiosity]…lets see here. [deafening pause]. January 2006.

    ME: ???

    SEVERAL CADRE then have a confusing conversation about the RIM, AWTW and the party press.

    Ok, so what I have been told on the sly is, there is no inter-party verdict on Nepal, so cadre literally can give no opinion other than what is given in the Response. I’m actually interested in the merits of democratic centralism, if this is what we get! Is this inevitable? How did this happen? Does the RCP system of ‘appeals’ actually help?

    Just trying to turn this into something productive!

  16. onehundredflowers said

    For a discussion of whether communist theory is a science, look here: http://mikeely.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/a-note-on-science-and-communist-theory/

  17. Iris said

    Thanks, I was trying to find that!

  18. questions for Mike and Kasama said

    Some questions:

    1. Mike, if, as you claim, the RCP has “abandoned” Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, what do you make of the following, which appears in every issue of Revolution and continuously on the front page of the newspaper’s website?:

    * Our Ideology is Marxism-Leninism- Maoism
    * Our Vanguard is the Revolutionary Communist Party
    * Our Leader is Chairman Avakian

    Isn’t it a bit like “fetishism” of the word to pounce on this document for failing to mention that one phrase when the text of the document clearly, and in some detail, spells out the contributions of Marx, Lenin, and Mao, respectively, to communist theory and practice?

    2. Don’t you think that part of why the “new program” process was derailed or delayed had SOMETHING to do with the unanticipated events of 9/11/2001, which significantly changed many things both in the U.S. and the world? Should a new program for a communist organization simply be rushed out into print if new developments, both practical and theoretical, may make it a dead letter upon publication?

    3. Don’t you think that, in fact, it is true that the size of a group, by itself, does not indicate the correctness or incorrectness of its line at any particular point in time. Even brother V.I. once wrote a famous essay entitled “Better Fewer, Better Better.” (I may be mangling the exact title since doing it from memory.

    4. Don’t you think that quite a bit of the tone of the comments above, some posted literally hours after the RCP’s New Constitution went on line, and some admittedly without even reading the entire document and its appendix in its entirety constitute a sneering tone towards members of the RCP (and non-member supporters) assuming that they are being somehow “intimidated” into agreement, as opposed to sincerely agreeing with the direction the party is now taking? What happened to your announced intention of purportedly setting forth your differences in a “comradely” manner that acknowledges that both Bob Avakian and the RCP members and supporters are genuine and sincere revolutionaries with whom you say you have line differences?

    These are just a few questions about your posting, and the comments which followed.

    Scobby Scobby Do!

  19. VI said

    “Better Fewer, But Better”

  20. another note said

    When Lenin said “better fewer” he was speaking of an organization of thousands with substantial, though minority, support among the workers of his country. He never ever argued for something like a cult of himself, for driving out members who didn’t think him “special”.

    Lenin was a leader. He wanted a party dedicated to communism.

    Bob Avakian is not a leader in any real sense. He wants a sect dedicated to promoting himself.

    And Nando – that’s not a personal attack on the man. It’s a statement of fact.

  21. another note said

    But, it should be mentioned, there’s nothing wrong with moving beyond MLM. I’m all for it. I am a communist, not an MLMist. So I agree with and support developing a way of thinking and method that doesn’t require the jury rig of a double hypenation.

    In twenty years of promoting MLM in this country, a full generation, it hasn’t gained any kind of traction among even revolutionary-minded people. Revolutionary communism, yes. Ideologism, no. Marx argued against letting sectarian principles define the socialist movement, and he was on to something. Where it has, that’s what you got. Not a revolution, not a people in struggle. A sect chasing people and then damning them for not wanting to get caught.

    If you don’t understand people in struggle, but only your ideology – you will always end up damning the people.

  22. Linda D. said

    Minute question to Iris:

    “That last quote from “A Harvest of Dragons” is really sad. It seems the way the party has engaged with it’s critics has not been so principled or flexible.”

    Why do you think the quote from “A Harvest…” sad?

    I am trying to read this “constitution” through en todo, but your comment jumped out at me.

  23. Mike E said

    [moderator note: Nando's two replies reply to "Questions" are now combined and posted in their own thread.]

  24. another note said

    This is funny, from the anonymous commentator: “Don’t you think that part of why the “new program” process was derailed or delayed had SOMETHING to do with the unanticipated events of 9/11/2001, which significantly changed many things both in the U.S. and the world? Should a new program for a communist organization simply be rushed out into print if new developments, both practical and theoretical, may make it a dead letter upon publication?”

    In other words, the RCP has not been able to articulate their politics in programmatic form throughout the ENTIRE Bush era! Three cheers for the glorious leadership!

    Can you imagine if RCP members were actually allowed to write and argue what they thought? Then speculation wouldn’t even be an issue. Instead, the organization brings rebels in and stifles them into worker bees and report writers.

    The basic point of this constitution is organizational control, not fighting for revolution. It’s preparing members for another wander through the wilderness.

  25. Iris said

    Linda, I thought it was sad because it doesn’t sync up with my experience with the RCP. It is one of the few pieces of BA that I find eloquent, and I guess it just hit a sad note.

    To ’some questions’: Here is a fruitless reply to an RCP supporter, one of many lurkers who will comment once (in hit-and-run fashion, like STB) and never reappear to deal with the substance of the debate.

    I posted this morning because it was my day off, and I got up early to read the Constitution. In it’s entirety.

    I was not implying that all people were intimidated by all cadre into accepting lines with my anecdote. This was something which has occurred often, stifles critical thought, and has been experienced by people elsewhere. Do you oppose trading experiences in this manner? Of course you do, because any actual public summation of an experience or event by RCP cadre is like kryptonite. Your post was one of maybe a half dozen on this entire site that is more than cryptic invective–and even while you have some food for thought in your post, it explicitly avoids dealing with the issues: are there any elements of intimidation EVER in the RCP? IS there a split over Avakian as cardinal question? HAVE people been kicked out over this? You can’t say, with all evidence in plain view.

    Maddening. This is why I feel crazy in discussions with cadre.

  26. Comments said

    I don’t have the draft Programme on hand but recall it as a long detailed document. A new party constitution is a very different thing. I asked an RCP person late last year or early this year when the program was finally going to come out and was told it would definitely be 2008. Is this statement of rules for party members really supposed to substitute for a vision of the future?

  27. Spencer said

    I’ve got the Draft Programme from 2001 right here and it is 140 pages long. It is online at http://revcom.us/margorp/progtoc-e.htm. The constitution does not seem to be a final draft programme or a definitive statement on most of the topics covered in the 2001 draft programme.

  28. Iris said

    I asked cadre about the program[me] coming out and they said it is still in progress, to ‘incorporate avakian’s synthesis’; that the draft is still ‘a working document’. They were very careful not to discuss the draft process itself. I was really curious whether the Draft still ’stood’. They said yes, and also affirmed that there is an intention to put the Party forward in an election year, that Obama isn’t the only option.

    A ‘manifesto’ is due in the fall, I guess?

  29. Mike E said

    Yes they are planning an election year manifesto.

    Here is how it is discussed:

    “Revolutionary Communism at a Crossroads: Residue of the Past. . . or Vanguard of the Future?”

    This fall, the RCP,USA will issue a major statement, a manifesto for our times.

    The past several decades have witnessed truly unprecedented changes in the world. The reversal of the revolution in China following the death of Mao in 1976. . . the fall of the Soviet Union and rise of the U.S. as the sole superpower in the world. . . the emergence of Islamic fundamentalism as a major contending force in the world, ideologically and politically. . . and the radical reactionary transformations of the U.S. world role, and domestic politics. All these have posed major challenges for the international communist movement, and struggle has arisen in the movement over how to meet them.

    Will the movement rise to those challenges? Or will it become a residue of the past, either locked in fading dogma or in thrall to the horizons of bourgeois democracy? This new manifesto will draw out and sharply contrast the contending roads before the revolutionary movement, go deeply into the direction and implications of each, and clearly put forward a line that can lead to a revolutionary future.

    If you have any hope, any aspiration, for fundamental and radical social change, you must read this statement and help us get this out to every corner of society.”</blockquote)

    From Revolution Books Seattle

  30. Maoist said

    Your problem is that you are not in favor of revolution. You all are reformist and passive minded people who have no agenda but to grumble and being behind the objective situation here in U.S. Communists are made of different kind of materials in a process of a revolutionary engagements with masses and going through subjective changes. You were part of RCP, but you proved that you do not want to be part of a revolutionary process here in U.S. I have not seen any of you taking responsibility to form any organization. It is obvious that no one among you are that type ( having made of special materials!). If there is going to be revolution there has to be vanguard party! If there is vanguard party there is to be a sewer (!) in an internet that bunch of guys like you sitting on their lazy ass in front of her/his computer and going through RCP writings to find something to grumble and complain about! This has been your way of living after splitting from RCP! That is why I call your site an internet sewer system! After all every system has to get rid off its wastes! Your website proof to be such!
    I hope you are brave enough to put my comments on your site for all of you participants in this internet sewer system to see! After all you all need something as mean of justification not only to be and stay together, but to come together!
    Keep it up…. The waste is endless! Every system needs a wast management! Why you!!

  31. Where to begin?

    “You were part of RCP, but you proved that you do not want to be part of a revolutionary process here in U.S. I have not seen any of you taking responsibility to form any organization. It is obvious that no one among you are that type ( having made of special materials!).

    Can you say bad metaphysics? I think this is a good case example of the hanger ons’ of the periphery of RCP taking on religious and downright immature forms of argument. Apparently, we’re not made of the right stuff, they are.

    And isn’t this even to an extent embodied in the RCP’s constitution when it speaks about “revolutionary will” and the degeneration of that ‘will’ as being grounds for possible expulsion. We have now a Party that speaks about revolutionary consciousness as a sustained drive…sad.

  32. nando said

    M writes:

    “I have not seen any of you taking responsibility to form any organization.”

    On your basic charge: Kasama was formed as a communist project this past April at its conference in NYC. Though quite primitive it has developed working groups in several cities and a network of supporters in every region of the U.S.

    This is organization around specific projects (internationalist work around the revolutions of South Asia, theoretical work, ccommunist work around the elections, etc.) but it is fundamentally a project of developing a movement for communist revolution in the U.S.

    The RCP is not a vanguard party. And a new organized disciplined creative force needs to be conceived and built.

  33. Maoist said

    You are a project of grumbling against RCP, noting less or more! Your motives and hate about RCP does not allow you to have anything independent. All of your comments and writings are full of hate, and it is very sad to see you all end up this way! A communist group can not achieve anything unless it has a very sharp political line. So far my observation is that you all are bunch of individuals who are gathered to manifest your hate for revolutionary line of vanguard RCP. Don’t start guessing! I am not affiliated with RCP. It do not matter when did you start grumbling about RCP. What really matter is that what political line you represent. I don’t see any political line- and in that mater a revolutionary line- being represented by your group. It does not matter how long you have start grumbling (about your former party RCP)! So far I don’t see you having any revolutionary vision. So stop making excuses! You can not make a justifications base upon the fact that not long ago every one of you split from RCP so you still in a process of getting there! Getting where? How? What is your vehicle to get there? History of Communist ideology and Masses will not forgive you, if you prove that you are there just to promote dissolution and disorganization against vanguard party of RCP! I like RCP new constitution. It is a revolutionary one and bold in all aspects.

  34. Jose M said

    lol

  35. Let me first say – so things are understood – I never said you were a part of the Party, I said you were on the ‘periphery’ of the RCP (fellow traveler, supporter, etc.)

    Secondly, toward the question of formation and being a Vanguard, Kasama is not that vehicle [yet], but are you actually missing here a whole host of history? From the point that the CPUSA was outright opportunistically revisionist and the formation of the RCP, there was at least a decade or more of time that past. RCP formed through a process of unity-struggle-unity with different groupings going different sorts of ways.

    Lastly, the Kasama Project is engaged in an investigation of problematics and theoretical reinvigoration of the questions of Revolution itself and how to make it. Rather than simply relaunching as RCP-lite, Kasama wishes to actually struggle through these questions. Kasama hasn’t layed down the law to become another premature attempt of being the Vanguard.

    Think of this as a time of developing Synthesis, drawing out the questions, feeling out what basis of work is possible.

    Is there really a problem with this? Is History and the Masses up in arms about us not doing Avakian showings in a theatre near you?

  36. Maoist said

    The way I observe it, not only “Kasama is not that vehicle [yet]” it never will be! Look you can not let your hate for Bob get you anywhere. If every one of you would live during Lenin and Mao era, you would say the same thing against those leaders of a vanguard party like Moncheviks. So far you proved to be an internet Kasama, Nothing less or more. I actually think of this as a time of grumbling and promoting disorganization in the history of communism here in U.S. I am sorry to say that you are so stupid not wanting to know that what you are doing is important not what others do. So stop grumbling. Who are you? What you do? Class struggle can’t wait for your opportunistic justification of being a new kids (!)In the internet blog! Stop putting your lazy ass behind computer and get down to the masses.

  37. TellNoLies said

    Maoist,

    OK, I’ll bite. If Kasama were all about criticizing the RCP I wouldn’t be here. I’ve never been a member or supporter of the RCP and persoanlly find all this dissecting of their every document tiresome, because frankly they aren’t that important anymore. I understand the neccesity of struggling through this for people who have been closer to them, but persoanlly I get very little out of it.

    The reason I come here and participate has almost nothing to do with the RCP and everything to do with Kasama’s success in creating a real forum where people can actually “wrangle” over what it really means to try to make communist revolution in the US in the 21st century. I come here for news on Nepal and India, and for the discussions of revolutionary culture, politics and philosophy that I generally can’t get elsewhere. Picking over the ideological carcass of the RCP has less and less to offer the folks here who are looking for a new path forward.

    Finally, I think it is to Kasama’s credit that it isn’t prematurely attempting to establish line and launch a new self-appointed vanguard. The failures of the RCP and other attempts to build a revolutionary movement in the US suggest that he answers really aren’t “just there for the taking.” The wide-ranging sorts of discussions that occur on Kasama are precisely what the present moment demands.

  38. redflags said

    Who “hates” Bob?

    I’ve spent most of my life respected the man, if not with the full-throated, empty-headed adoration he demands. But hatred? I’ve seen precious little mockery for such a walking cariacture.

    We could form a paper party, start issuing judgments, condemnations and impotent manifestos – but that is not what is going to get us to socialism. It will not organize and develop the capacties of people here or abroad for collective liberation. Claiming vanguard status is easy, obviously. Any half-wit Trot can do it. At a certain point, the certainty of self-appointed correctitude just don’t cut it.

    Maoist writes: “Stop putting your lazy ass behind computer and get down to the masses.”

    Um, okay. But the idea that highly efficient forms of participatory mass communication are “lazy assed” is confusing the matter,
    Mao said:
    no investigation, no right to speak. One thing many of do know something about is the RCP and its ideology. If we can understand more about the nature of revolutionary groupings, why some succeed and why we (here in the USA) have thus far failed to develop a revolutionary pole – then we shouldn’t shy away from digging into these experiences.

    Reading the most recent copy of the Red Star out of Nepal: the decency, patience, thoughtfulness and refusal to settle for the impotent certainties of left-sectarian dogmatism is apparent. Kasama Project is not the only, or even the main force in the communist movement pushing towards the future instead of trying to conserve the past. The degree to which Avakian has stifled the development of revcom politics (and cadre!) in the USA is tragic, but hatred isn’t the word for it. For me, I’d call it “disappointment”. People in and around the RCP should have known better, it’s not as if plenty of other people didn’t see it, analyze it and point it out.

    To say people should “stop grumbling” is to demand the RCP’s anemic internal life be imposed on the larger world and people who know better. It’s demanding no one tell the little emperor that he’s naked as a jaybird.

  39. Linda D. said

    I second what TellNoLies said above, especially the reasons why he is here and participates in Kasama.

    Do think that the 9 Letters, for example, have been extremely helpful in furthering our understanding of real line differences however, and created a polemic with great clarity. The tone was not vindictive. If some “testifying” by commentors appears to have a different tone, I suspect it is because some of their experience jives with their coming to grips with real political line differences, that some may still be struggling with more internally.

    Red Flags says: “The degree to which Avakian has stifled the development of revcom politics (and cadre!) in the USA is tragic, but hatred isn’t the word for it. For me, I’d call it “disappointment”.”

    Yes, it is “disappointing” and even tragic as to where the rcp’s line and organization has ended up. But this isn’t the first time in our long and bumpy road that an organization which had great potential, and accomplished a lot, has ended up this way. More people were way more “disappointed” at the reversal in China. Thing is many of those same people, while at first may have felt impotent (and even devastated), didn’t let the reversal in China stop them from wanting to continue on the revolutionary road, trudging forward toward our common goals. To me no one party or organization is the end all be all, and none of the leaders are sacred cows. Revolution is not some religious exercise. To me a lot of the histrionics around the rcp has to do more with a romantic view of revolution, and is a reflection of some of the voluntarism that SOME of us were so well schooled in. Bob Avakian himself USED to say, “take a sniff at everything” and that if the rcp itself no longer served the people and revolution, than it too should be cast aside; something new should be developed and take its place. That doesn’t mean that we throw the baby out with the bathwater, but those same developments are part of the revolutionary process, especially if we try and keep the loftier and larger picture in mind.

  40. Maoist said

    None of you are truthful and honest. You can say what you want but you can not fool everyone! Linda, why are you seconding someone else’s dishonest statement? Are you saying that you were not part of RCP in the past either? As an observer of your comments I neither believe you nor do I believe “TellNoLies”. TellNoLies is sitting between the two chairs; while he sits crooked, he tries to be “honest”! One can sit straight and tell lies, but if one who chose to site somewhat in a crooked manner (being part of disorganization and anti communist movement here in U. S.) then, she/he must tell the truth and must be truthful. Or can she/he!?

    Communists don’t lie, they are always in favor of truth! It is hard to believe someone like you (Crookedly sited and make dishonest statements!) “Comes” from middle of “nowhere” and all of the sudden wants to be “there” because she/he thinks that “Picking over the ideological carcass of the RCP has less and less to offer the folks here who are looking for a new path forward.” (Emphasis added)! First, as I mentioned before, none of you can fool anyone. You can not even hide you petty bourgeois hate (using anti-revolutionary and anti-communist slang) by using a word “describing” RCP to CARCASS! Secondly, how and when did you know that RCP “has less to offer”? How did you come to that conclusion? Did you just read RCP literature and not participating in any type of class struggle? A communist can’t just talk and read without participating in objective class struggle. So, for that reason how did you become a “Communist”? What were your motives? You guys tend not question each other, like what Linda has done, she just second others dishonest statement! Because, you don’t want to question each others pas and motives as to why each one of you participated in Kasama’s internet project. You don’t want to put your past under communist microscope ideology! You have chosen to think that grumbling about RCP is equal to putting “your past” under “communist” microscope ideology! You can grumble all you want about RCP, but you can’t create a “new path forward.” Talking about Nepal Revolution, without knowing that CPN (M) is no longer in the path of communist revolution and in fact it is in the path of reform and keeping the old state untouched, by participating with reactionary forces such as Congress party and revisionist UML party, is like fooling yourself. Is CPN (M) of Nepal path (Parachanda’s Path) your “Path forward”? So far they have shown that they changed the path of revolution – by becoming part of the reformist path- just to be part of the business as usual in Nepal. They changed the rail after 2006- 12 points agreement with all other 7 reformists and reactionary (Congress party) parties, and since then it has became part of the main stream politics! Rather than crashing the old state power and its reactionary army it has chosen to keep it- by reforming it-! But according to someone like Linda, Who tries not to be dogma, struggling against political line of CPN(M)and talking about opportunist line of CPN(M), by the way of pressing and defending on/the MLM principals, is “some religious exercise”! There are lot to say about CPN(M), but accepting all justifications of CPN(M)as to why it has chosen to become part of the main stream politics is without a doubt a opportunist and revisionist path.

  41. Mike E said

    [moderator note: please stop the personal attack, and keep this discussion on line, events, analysis.]

  42. Linda D. said

    I do not want to fan the flames around personal attacks and agree, this discussion should focus on “line” (primarily), “events and analysis.” But personal attacks, with very little investigation, is a tactic used to avoid line struggle.

    Just to clarify something, in trying to have an “honest” debate: What I personally said was that I seconded what TellNoLies wrote, “especially the reasons why he is here and participates in Kasama.” But unlike TellNoLies, I was a member and supporter of the RCP for years. Even after “I left”, and had some definite line differences, I still tried to engage in support work. So rather than add to the list of recent developments within that organization that I further don’t agree with, I would like to tell you what I still uphold. I can easily think of 3 things:

    The RU/RCP put May Day back on the map in the U.S. This was significant, and while many came to the May Day events (including many workers) the tone was not necessarily economist, but also put revolution front and center. Secondly, Bob Avakian’s tome, “Mao’s Immortal Contributions” was an extremely important contribution, especially for all the forces who were “grappling” with the reversal in China–China which had been the “beacon light” to millions around the world. And third, but equally important, was the fact that the RCP was instrumental in the formation of the RIM, and the RIM put internationalism on the map on a world scale.

    And while I very much disagree with Maoist’s blanket statements about the revolution in Nepal and the CPN(M), I would like to ask Maoist in the spirit of honesty–is this your position, or does it represent the position of the RCP?

    After reading Maoist’s latest commentary, the song by Springsteen and Patty Smyth superciliously runs through my head: “Blinded by the Light.” But in “light” of that, I think we need to approach all these pertinent questions, practice and theory, with our eyes wide-open, and not “eyes wide-shut.”

  43. TellNoLies said

    Whatever its other considerable deficiencies, Maoist’s screed has the virtue of actually taking a public stand on events in Nepal. This is something the RCP has clearly failed to do. Rather than attacking the integrity of participants in Kasama I would urge Maoist to focus on questions of political line and to flesh out his arguments on Nepal. This is a site where public discussion of such things is actively encouraged and where it would be fruitful to see some real engagement with the position that I believe the rCP holds, but that it has so far refused to advance publicly. (One reason why I suspect Maoist is NOT a member.)

  44. Linda D. said

    And I would like to further encourage people to revisit the recent post: “Nepal Maoist Newspaper: Critique of Sectarianism in ICM”–

    http://mikeely.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/nepal-maoist-newspaper-critique-of-sectarianism-in-icm/

  45. redflags said

    I’m curious how Maoist thinks this works.

    Is it not possible to build revolutionary communist politics in the United States without being a follower of Avakian?

    The RCP says no.

    Yet they have not themselves done so.

    What if you had worked for many years within the confines of the RCP and summed up that it was not only not moving forward, but was in retreat to becoming a sect dedicated to promoting an individual – and not a vanguard political party?

    If this was your summation, how would you proceed?

    The logic which argues “truth” is inherently encapsulated within the confines of an individual, or a very small group – it eludes me. It makes no sense.

    In other words, if Marxism is a scientific methodology (that is to say it has objective character, then how can it be contained by necessity in one man’s personhood, or even in a mass political party?

    Isn’t truth, in the scientific method of Marxism, something we all have access to? Isn’t is something we do not something we discover and possess?

  46. redflags said

    Further – the RCP, through it’s leading involvement in World Can’t Wait, has openly pushed for an “agreement” with sections of the ruling class Democrats to impeach Bush.

    That this wasn’t reciprocated is here not the point. I don’t even think this was wrong to do.

    The question is whether such agreements and tactical moves are themselves the way we understand someone’s political orientation.

    After all, Lenin took gold from the Germans to fight his own Czar. Mao formed an alliance with the Nationalists – even after massacres and previous betrayals. Stalin and Dmitrov enforced a United Front Against Fascism, and the Popular Front subordination of Communists in order to defeat fascism.

    Maoist sounds much more like a Trotskyist, who thinks ideology is a more perfect replicaiton of the existing world – and that our job is to stand to the rear and judge.

    While Trotskyism is inherently sectarian – Maoism has not been. Political parties are not sects, and are forced by necessity to respond not just to their own social base, something Avakianists call “economism – but also to other class forces and the actual wants and expectations of the broad masses of people.

    To view the act of politics as betrayal is to confuse truth for practice. Truth is not a practice, it is a value we give to ideas that capture the essence of situations. Without a true understand of forces, it’s hard to do the right thing – but truth as a concept divorced from practice is also known as religion, which is to say it isn’t true.

  47. celticfire said

    “Maoist” claims that the CPN(M) has “changed the path of revolution by becoming part of the reformist path- just to be part of the business as usual in Nepal.”

    Is this actually true, or the spouting of a rigid interpretation of the dialectics involved in making revolution?

    Would “Maoist” attack Mao for meeting with Chiang Kai Shek in the pre-49 period?

    In defense of the CPN(M) they have developed conditions of struggle appropriate to the class struggle in Nepal that was won over a decade of armed revolutionary struggle. To simply dismiss their experiment as going off the orthodox “path” is an error fatal to understanding the complexities in making revolution, anywhere.

    Keeping in mind, our last major attempts at socialism didn’t work out – they were overthrown from within the monoparty, yet you seem to insist on repeating failed attempts? A good scientist doesn’t repeat the same experiment over and over, but changes things to better understand the experiment.

    To be blunt, Avakianism is failure.

  48. Comments said

    Your criticism of Kasama people for discussing the failures of Avakian and RCP for some reason remind me of this youtube video.

    http://www.boxxet.com/Britney_Spears/Post:Britney_Spears_Biggest_Fan_Wants_You_to_Leave_Her_Alone_16faxg/

  49. Comments said

    I’m sorry. I meant to address that to “Maoist.”

  50. Maoist said

    Based on the fact that Mike tries to act as a censorship moderator if this comment of mine is censored again I will not continue to make any further comments! Mike is trying so hard to say that I do use personal attack! NO it not personal attack. I am telling the truth about those who are trying to be dishonest. The following is my comments that appeared briefly on KASAMA but was censored under the name of “Personal attack”. Mike you proved to be a bias moderator. Look at those who can not hide their hate for Bob. They, like you, can’t let go! Anyway here is what I have said, to Linda.

    Stop being lazy! As I said before I was not and am not a member of RCP or peripheral of this organization. So, you must know (if you chose to!) that what I said about CPN (M) is my own view. And I truly believe that my opinion will proved to be valid, based on principal of MLM. In My view CPN (M) has turned to be in line of a reformist and opportunist line after 2006, 12 point agreement. Unlike you, Linda, I do not wait for RCP or Mike to tell me how to write or what to say. If after so many years of being a RCP member, you still can not distinguish between MLM revolutionary line and a reformist line, don’t blame it on RCP (“schooling” you!) or its leader Bob. You been “there” but you did not get it!
    Linda, don’t be such a teacher by making order, which likes to teach but does not like to learn. Your final comment shows that you can not face the subjective truth arising from objective reality! You memorized a few but don’t have that special touch (material)! If you have not learn about the difference between the state and the government don’t blame it on RCP. State in Nepal is unchanged and the way that CPN (M) is becoming part of the same state system it can not ultimately goes through establishing anew democratic state and victory of democratic revolution. CPN (M) cut the process of new democratic revolution short and gone through old bourgeois revolution with leadership of bourgeois. The big landlord and comprador bourgeois system is untouched, even though the King, the head of the old state, was overthrown. The imperialist domination is still intact economically, militarily and politically. So I ask all of you to read a little bit and investigates the facts. And see for yourself what “orthodox” (!) MLM principals have been put forward by Lenin and Mao on the subject of Democratic revolution. I recommend before being such a ignorant and blindly accept CPN (M) unprincipled justification to cut the democratic revolution short read Selected Works of Mao Tse-tung “ON NEW DEMOCRACY” , Volume 2, and also read Lenin’s The state and Revolution (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/).

  51. Mike E said

    Earlier in this thread, “Questions” wrote:

    Mike, if, as you claim, the RCP has “abandoned” Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, what do you make of the following, which appears in every issue of Revolution and continuously on the front page of the newspaper’s website?:

    * Our Ideology is Marxism-Leninism- Maoism
    * Our Vanguard is the Revolutionary Communist Party
    * Our Leader is Chairman Avakian

    Isn’t it a bit like “fetishism” of the word to pounce on this document for failing to mention that one phrase when the text of the document clearly, and in some detail, spells out the contributions of Marx, Lenin, and Mao, respectively, to communist theory and practice?

    As of today (September 17) the “three ours” are missing from the RCP’s homepage.

    This seems to confirm that the RCP no longer upholds the view that “Our ideology is Marxism-Leninism-Maoism.”

    The reason is self-evident: they hold that this “MLM” formulation diminishes the contribution and distinctness of Avakian’s contribution to “our ideology.”

  52. Realized said

    it’s true that 911 appeared to be a major factor on derailing the new draft program. The immediate need to react to developing events took precedence. But during all my 10 years of close understanding of the organization there was never the kind of open debate and wrangling as described by the p as being central to the lifeblood of communist organization. Yes there was struggle but it was always used to enforce understanding and compliance to the stated correct line. People were doscouraged or actively directed not to discuss questions with others. There was a pervading sense of fear of being seen as having an incorrect line. No one wanted to be ridiculed or labelled as revisionist, reformist, counter revolutionary, anarchist, individualist or any number of negative tags or labels. It is easy to similarities with cult type organizations. Approval, popularity, friendship, security,self worth and the very fate of humanity all rested on having and being seen as having the correct line. For most of the time it just seemed like I didn’t know enough to challenge p lines. The p was an amazing vehicle for change and it was clear that so many other orgs had given up on r. The result was the tendency to accept what came down from the top. I’m not knocking organization, structure and discipline. I believe these are all needed for substancial change. What I don’t think we need is a hot house. The p says one thing but their actions are not consistent with what is on paper. More later.

Leave a Reply

XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <pre> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>