Socialist Democracy, Snowflakes & the Restoration of Capitalism
Posted by Mike E on July 7, 2009
The essay by Rosa L. Blanc on Bhattarai’s “New Type of State” has led to an extensive discussion of forms of socialist democracy and their impact on the dangers of capitalist restoration. The following contains thoughts provoked by that discussion.
“We communists now need to creatively uncover new ways to broaden the base and mass participation in future socialist transition processes. That is one of the sharp lessons of the 20th century. It raises the need for a radically deeper appreciation and application of Mao’s concept of mass line. We should assume the need for radical departures from any ‘model’ drawn from the 1930s USSR. But I don’t assume that multi-party electoral systems should be seen as universal — as if the solution to our problem is now ‘there for the taking’ before we even tried out these concepts in a new revolutionary attempt.”
by Mike Ely
Revolution often takes the form of a civil war between two sections of the people. Marxists perceive this process as the overthrow of one class by another — and seek to lead that process toward the replacement of class society by socialism and communism. But, at another level of analysis, society polarizes into those who want radical change and those who congeal around defending the old society — and they fight it out.
How that polarization goes down marks the future framework of society.
The reason the Soviet Union developed the way it did was not simply because they had an “idea” of a one-party state — but also because the polarization from which they emerged was a particularly punishing one: they seized the cities for socialism, but had little root among the majority of the population (the peasants), and in the course of the civil war, the flower of the working class’ revolutionary generation died at the front. This created particularly severe choices — and you found one part of the population arming itself to impose the socialist society on other (and rather large) parts.
In some ways, Soviet society remained a society locked in civil war — and the side of the revolutionaries found themselves deporting, jailing and silencing large numbers of people. That is not great conditions for the flowering (and preservation) of socialism.
The Allignments of Revolution Impacting the Forms of Power
So in some ways, I think that the one-party state emerged from the particular conditions of that Russian revolution…. conditions that also framed the decline of forward revolutionary energies, and produced conditions in which capitalism was restored (without visible resistance within the party or the population).
And looking at that process, first Mao and now we have understood that somehow — through various decisions, preparations, modifications, changes in our forms of organization and work etc. — we need to develop a revolutionary polarization in which far broader sections of the population can be engaged (actively and over time) in the process of socialist transformation. And the polarization of a revolution has deep roots in the pre-revolutionary developments. (Example: the initial decision of the early social democrats in Russia to focus almost exclusively on urban workers, had long range implications for their lack of later post-revolutionary roots among rural and peasant people).
With that in mind, the Nepali Maoists have chosen to alternate military and political offensives — and give time and attention ( before the seizure of power) to broadening the base of the revolution. I think they believe if they seize power with too narrow a base, they will effectively be forced to continue to rule by pointing the gun at large sections of the population — with all the implications that has for the revolutionary process.
We have had two major socialist revolutions (Russia and China), and a number of smaller attempts at power (Vietnam, Cuba, etc). And, in ways that seem rather obviously mechanical, some communists say there are two models for revolution (i.e. a Soviet-style October Road, and a Chinese-style protracted peoples war). However I suspect that each future socialist revolution will be startlingly different (in its forms of approaching power, and perhaps in its forms of wielding new state power) — and so, while learning from the October Revolution and the Chinese revolution, I don’t think we should universalize their paths, or their forms of state power.
(Look at the diversity of capitalist rule: constitutional monarchies, fascism, military juntas, presidential democracies, parliamentary democracies, religious theocracies, racial apartheid, revisionist-style state capitalism and more….. Why would we assume that socialist societies won’t have its own remarkable diversity of forms, reflecting both some inherent dynamics of socialist transition but also very particular histories and conditions producing various revolutions?)
On Models and Universalities
While I disagree with the main thrust of the Indian Maoist polemical critique of the Nepali Maoists— i agree on this secondary point:
I think it is a mistake for communists to quickly “universalize” their own particular strategic and tactical choices — i.e. to declare that their own particular ideas and methods apply “universally” throughout the world.
Nepal has (to put it mildly!) rather unique political conditions. It has a dozen or more communist parties (of very varied political and class complextions). It has a revolutionary process that has been focused on overthrowing an autocratic, monarchist and feudal state structure. It has had a history where Indian-style parliamentary democracy and Mao-style revolutionary peoples democracy have been twin, competing visions of future Nepal, and so on.
It may well be possible (as Prachanda and Bhattarai believe) to create a diverse new socialist “mainstream” to replace the old feudo-colonial “mainstream” — and so (within a larger anti-feudal and revolutionary framework) have a “multiparty democracy.” The world will learn from their attempt.
But it seems certainly premature and overreaching to assert that this very particular form of socialist political institution is a “universal” innovation — or that it should apply to a country like India (where the whole history of parliamentary democracy has unfolded differently for decades etc), or a country like the U.S. where there has never been a European-style parliament with many parties etc., and where the particular assumptions and operations of that kind of electorialism (even in the last two centuries of bourgeois politics) have no real roots.
Put another way: Perhaps two hundred years of bourgeois competitive two-party elections in the U.S. will (justifiably) discredit that form among the revolutionary people who arise in North America — and so the socialist forms of democracy will take not take the form of national, competitive multi-party elections but some radically different form. Personally, I believe that any revolutoinary process emerging in the U.S. that doesn’t include a broad, deeply felt, visceral disdain for the corrupt, manipulated, falsely-legitimizing two-party electoral system probably won’t be worth spit.
In other words, I deeply agree we communists now need to creatively uncover new ways to broaden the base and mass participation in future socialist transition processes. That is one of the sharp lessons of the 20th century.
I think that recognition will have an impact on how we communists do (and see) our organizations and work in pre-revolutionary times. And it raises the need for a radically deeper appreciation and application of Mao’s concept of mass line.
I think we should assume the need for radical departures from any ‘model’ drawn from 1930s USSR. (I would think that would be obvious to anyone who has studied that experience! And here arises some of the real problems with the Indian Maoist polemic mentioned above — which fumes against sharp, deepening and very necessary critiques of the Stalin era. Their founding party documents talk about the “Great Stalin” and so on in ways that suggest deep problems of summation and conception).
But given that, I still don’t assume that multi-party electoral systems should be seen as universal. I.e. as if the solution to our problem is now “there for the taking” in that one form. And as if we can assume the problem is now been solved (before we even tried out these concepts and forms in a new revolutionary attempt!) Let’s try out and sum up this attempt at socialist “multi-party democracy” — and let’s also imagine and debate other new forms of mass agency under socialism.
[There is a general problem in assuming that solutions can be found by identifying and then universalizing specific forms — commune, soviet, institutionalized vanguard, direct workers rule at the base, multiparty elections etc. — when in fact, (as Mao said) all forms can lend themselves to restoration and the deep contradictions have to be fought out, concretely, in the particular crossroads of real life, and are generally not solved by identifying specific-forms-as-solutions. This is part of methodological issue that Redflags dubbed “structure over people.”)
On Blaming the “Party-State” for Restoration
I think Rosa L Blanc has helped spur our investigations into “Prachanda Path.” The Nepali Maoist proposals havebeen kicked about quite a bit, with few people rising to clarify those views or defend their arguments. And I think this is very important for our own theoretical work, here that Rosa jumped out to do this.
At the same time, thanks to this discussion Rosa has kicked off, I want to take the opportunity to point out a difference between Rosa’s views and Bhattarai’s.
It is quite common in some places to place the blame of capitalist restoration on the “Party State.” By extension it is argued (by Bettelheim for example) that capitalist restoration happened very early in Soviet history — certainly by the 1930s, perhaps in the 1920s, and even, perhaps, there was no socialism at all. (For Bettelheim in particular, direct control by the working people looms as such an important indicator of communist revolution that the real-world experiences of socialist revolution all fall short.)
Badiou (and many French Maoists) have always seen the Chinese Cultural Revolution as a revolt against the Stalinist (or Leninist) “Party-state” — and as the last gasp of that political form. And (by extension) they often see Mao as having betrayed the revolutionary spirit of the early Cultural Revolution half-way through the process — since he sought to rercreate the communist party on a new basis in the course of the cultural revolution, and found it necessary to call off the most unbridled aspects of the mass upheaval.
We have debated these issues before (as Land points out)in the post “Antaeus: Why Did Post-Maoist China Restore Capitalism?.” And we will certainly discuss them again.
Rosa L writes:
“I believe that in our international communist movement we are still defending the Stalinist ONE PARTY-ONE STATE model that led to the restoration of capitalism and unable to move beyond this dogma.
On that one point, I just want to make some observations:
First (as I said above) I don’t think that the Stalin-era system was simple the result of bad ideas (though there truly extremely wrong choices made, and truly horrific acts carried out). It was also the outgrowth of the way the particular Russian revolutionary process ended up limiting the available choices — and then a result of the specific choices made by Soviet communists (led by Stalin) in that context.
Second, when Rosa argues that the “one party-one state model” LED to the restoration of capitalism — i need to point out that this is NOT Bhattarai (or Mao’s) theory. Bhatarrai thinks that the political forms under Stalin CONTRIBUTED to the EVENTUAL restoration of capitalism — but not that this political form was (itself) the moment of restoration (or even the only cause).
The Roots of Restoration Within the Contradictoriness of Socialism Itself
Sometimes the debate over the periodization of Soviet history is tiresome (when exactly was the revolution over? 1918? 1921? 1933? 1939? 1956? 1989? and so on). But that debate (which focus on different shades around “the Stalin question”) DOES concentrate important conclusions about “what is the problem? what is the solution?”
Bhattarai, like Mao, thinks that the errors and forms of the Soviet revolution contributed to the growth of capitalist elements within the party and the state. And in particular, Mao talks about the need to “expose our dark side, openly and from below” — clearly thad did not happen in the soviet union, and that “dark side” was very dark, and the broad population was driven away from political life by a very heavy hand of state repression. But Bhattarai thinks that capitalist restoration was fought in the Stalin years — just not particularly well.
Mao’s theory was that capitalist roaders emerged from the very nature of socialism — from the existance of capitalist elements in the very dynamics of socialists society (from wage differences, from the need for central management, from the pull of continuing commodity exchange, from the continuing division of mental and manual labor, from the need for a standing army in an imperialist world, and so on). And because the capitalist restoration did not SIMPLY arise from the weakness of popular agency, the soloution to capitalist restoration is not SIMPLY to increase FORMS of popular participation in socialist political decisionmaking. The problem is more difficult than that, and the solution is more complex.
Again: I think that (as a communist movement) we need to find ways to greatly expand the base of the communist revolution (including before seizing power), and the mass participation in the revolutionary process. I think that we have to deeply and creatively reconsider what socialist democracy can look like (without forgetting that post-revolutionary society needs to prevent the old oppressors from coming back). I think there is an emerging sense among many of the most revolutionary communists that this reconception must include much more free speech, free press, debate, mass decisionmaking and by greatly dialing down the repressive impulses of the new state at every stage of the revolutionary process.
And inevitably, there has to be a sharp look at the assumptions that a communist party is inherently a vanguard — that it can declare itself a vanguard before leading anyone, and that it can be assumed to be a vanguard without a continuous,critical and public process. History has not been kind to that idea.
Snowflakes: Diversity Arising from Framing Conditions Beyond Our Control
But I also don’t think we should fool ourselves that the creation of public popular democratic forms of participation is a magic bullet against capitalist restoration. Or that accomplishing this obviously necessary flowering of mass participation is simply a matter of breaking with our own dogma. The problem emerges from reality, from real world contradictions of revolutionary class struggle and class allignments, not just from our own preconceptions or from the lingering power of Stalin-era dogmas.
Revolutionary situations themselves sometimes decide what our polarization is, and we may not get one as favorable as we want — objective conditions may decide how strong our forces are, how broad our support, how tenacious the anti-socialist resistance, how isolated the revolution is internationally, how threatening outside military and covert operations are… and so on. And all of those things impact the political forms of the post-revolutionary society. Revolutionaries don’t get many chances to seize power, and should not forgo an opportunity cuz the polarization is not quite what we wanted.
That is why I think it is important:
a) not to just think that the problem in the Soviet Union was one of wrong conceptions, these were also problems of the objective class alignments within the post-revolutionary society. and
b) I don’t think we can assume that we can know or decide what our own revolutionary polarizations will be, when in fact they are often (in part) decreed by forces far beyond our control. and
c) I think we should understand that “revolutions are like snowflakes” — each one will be radically different in its presentation, and in its post revolutionary forms and so we should be very reluctant to quickly declare one form or another “universal,” and
d) I don’t think we should think that capitalist restoration SIMPLY comes from the separation of the leaders and the led, and so I don’t think we should think that our urgently necessary rethinking of political forms will be a single magic bullet preventing capitalist restoration.
The Back-and-Forth of the Real-World Process of Socialist Transition
TNL writes:
“The one-party state, even supplemented with a cultural revolution has consistently led to the restoration of capitalism. It is done. The verdict is in and the people (rightly) hate it.
I think there is some important truth here. I think there are few places on earth where people will say “we want what the Soviet people had in the 1930s.” And if there had not been a cultural revolution (distrupting all that) during the 1960s, i don’t think Mao’s China would be perceived as the beginnings of a positive alternative to that Soviet experience.
It was once obvious and assumed that socialism would necessarily have a rich political life of debate, contention and popular involvement. If after the 1930s other assumptions came to the fore, well, it is long past time to reverse that. (And obviously not just because “the people” demand it — however important THAT is — but also because we can see you can’t have socialist transition without it.)
On the other hand I want to look more closely at this statement:
“”The one-party state, even supplemented with a cultural revolution has consistently led to the restoration of capitalism. It is done. The verdict is in…”
Is this causality really true? Is the victory of capitalist restoration proof that the methods adopted by revolutionaries can be discarded as wrong?
First: Can we really look at revolutions in one country so discretely? Perhaps china could not sustain a socialist revolution beyond two decades without a larger global socialist camp. Perhaps capitalist forces were going to overwhelm the socialist impulse eventually no matter how good their methods were unless the world revolution took a leap? Or perhaps, the world process inherently goes through spirals of revolution, restoration, and then new revolution — as it mode of approaching a communist world.
In the early Soviet days, socialism was seen as an expanding inkblot — the first revolution happened in central Russia, and future revolutions would be “add-ons” to an expanding Soviet federation… until the world was socialist and then communist. It was rather linear, and had no expectation of major reversal.
In practice they were not able to expand the Soviet federation continually. They annexed the baltics and parts of Poland — but they did not insert East Germany into an enlarged USSR. And certainly the Chinese revolutionaries were in no mood to subsume New China within a single Soviet federation.
But in fact, capitalist revolution against feudalism (from the 1500s to 1900s) didn’t take anything like a linear route. The early Hanseatic League (merchant capital city states within feudal Europe) rose and fell. the first real capitalist revolution (the anti-monarchist uprising in France 1789) led to Napoleon crowning himself emperor within ten years — with a wave of Bourbon counterrevolution following him as well. Then the revolutions of 1848 (which were crushed, not victorious) eroded another layer of feudal hegemony and strength.
Despite awful restorations, within two generations of the French setbacks, capitalism was calling the tune across Europe. It didn’t take a linear form, but a wavelike form that included repeated restoration, and then new revolution.
Or, look at the U.S. bourgeois revolution, which abolished slavery in 1965, and yet restored feudal sharecropping as the dominant Southern mode of production in the counterrevolutions of the 1870s and 80s — here too there was revolution and restoration, out of which a dominant and dynamic capitalism eventually emerged hegemonic).
What happens if we entertain this idea: The fall of socialism in the 20th century was not mainly the fault of the primitiveness or errors of the revolutionaries, but was mainly a result of the narrowness of the base of socialist transition in that century”?
Certainly there were errors. Certainly there were first-timer conceptions that we need to break with. Certainly there are many things in those socialist revolutions that we can’t (and won’t) repeat or uphold.
But is it really true that the restorations were MAINLY the result of our own errors?
I have come to suspect that the socialist world process will have sharp wavelike peaks and valleys. There have been tsunamis of revolutionary upheaval (in Europe after world war 1, in the formerly colonial world in the 1950s, worldwide in 1968) — and they would recede leaving some places deeply changed, but with newly-formed socialist experiments clinging for life (almost like fish stranded in tidal pools after the high tide recedes).
Could it be that this is the real-world process through which socialist victory emerges worldwide — through this complex and repeated “changing of places” of the two opposites, revolution and counterrevolution, restoration and counter-restoration, capitalism and socialism? And all of this happening while the socialization of the planet, its urbanization, its experience with socialism and capitalism, its destruction of lingering feudalism, the acutement of modern society’s ecological crisis etc — all while this larger global process increases (in world historic ways) the objective basis for communism and weakens the basis for private capitalist appropriation.
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Censored said
Actually revolution rarely takes the form of civil war between two sections of the people. Lenin described that conception as “ridiculously pedantic”.
Mike E said
hmmmm.
Censored writes:
1) I don’t think we can have real discussions by simply assuming that “whatever” lenin said was true. That is a bad method. I just don’t think posting some long quote from Lenin (without your own argumentation or elaboration) is much of an engagement with this discussion. It is like a legal brief where you don’t like my argument, and where you rummage around in lenin’s writings for a passage that seems to contradict me. What kind of an argument and method is that? It reminds me of fundamentalists playing dueling bible quotes.
2) Ironically, the opening sentence of my essay that you dislike so much (“Revolution often takes the form of a civil war between two sections of the people. “) is, in fact, inspired by my own reading of Lenin. And it is precisely an argument against the pedantic idea that workers and other oppressed people line up on one side and declare for socialism, and the handful of rich line up on the other side and declare they are against it.
I lifted that phrase from Lenin’s 1906 essay summing up the last year of revolution (“Guerrilla Warfare“) where he says:
Lenin’s other point you cite (against the “pedantic” idea) is that revolutions are complex and muddy, that all kinds of people and strata enter with their own demands and prejudices — and the issue in a revolution is never simply the highly ideological choice “socialism: for or against” — but all kinds of overlapping and conflicting demands (for national independence, modernity, popular representation, land reform, social justice, an end to war, poverty and feudal supsertition and so on.) And that is, in fact, part of what I’m arguing here.
Iin fact, the process of socialist transition has to deal with the fact that there will be sections of the people who are less than enthusiastic at each point. If we don’t understand that, then our discussions of democracy are based on fantasy — because the moment you open up the political process under socialism, the question of “returning to capitalism” will be presented on the stage. (That was Mao’s experience in the famous Hundred Flowers campaign… and it will be our experience too.)
3) the polarizations of revolutions are not simple: In china there was one polarization for New Democracy (for natinal independence, development, progressive ideas and radical land redistribution) that eventually brought in a broad swath of the chinese people (thanks, in part, to the skillful Maoist methods of exposing and opposing their enemies “one by one.”) But it requied a second and more difficult polarization for the next stage — for new socialist forms of revolution and society. And in that second stage, many previous allies became pointmen for capitalist restoration — in Mao’s pithy phrase: “bourgeois democrats within the revolution become capitalist roaders.”
So I think you have misunderstood both what I’m saying, and also what Lenin is saying.
Carl Davidson said
I’m more interested, at the moment, in how to get the strength to get to a socialist transformation. Socialism is a transitional society with both capitalist and socialist forms of ownership, so the contention between the two roads is what it’s all about. But first you have to get there. In other words, deal with the problems you have first, rather than those you hope to have later.
In any case, here’s a small point. I’d make a distinction between our two-party system and the multiparty system existing in most industrial countries. Our is far more backward. The latter, for the most part, allows fusion, instant runoff, proportional representation and the like. My guess is Americans will like it more than the current setup–but you have to win it first in more than a handful of states and cities. One thing I’m certain of: they wouldn’t like elections with one-slate where no one can lose.
But you’re right about the one-party state. It wasn’t a ‘principle’ until long after the fact. In the early days, the Soviet Union was a two-party government, the Bolsheviks and the Left SRs. The SRs were thrown out for counter-revolutionary activity, not as a matter of principle.
Caleb T. Maupin said
Videos of Soviet Workers recalling the Five-Year Plans.
Rosa L said
Mike said:
I absolutely agree with this statement.
We have to overcome the idea that there will be one model for the dictatorship of the proletariat that will be universalized across time and space. This is one of the limits of 20th century socialism and of those like RCP that continues to think in these terms: Stalin’s ONE PARTY-ONE STATE as the universal model. You can read the following citation of Lenin in the article by Bhattarai that correspond with the spirit of “diverse political forms for the dictatorship of the proletariat” that Mike defeneded above:
This diversity of political forms can happen due to objective conditions (like Mike points above) and not necessarily due to a preconceived idea.
But the diversity of political forms under the dictatorship of the proletariat could also come from preconceived idea due to different political traditions, different traditions of thought, different cultural forms, etc. This I think we agree on!
However, what would be the criteria to define the essence of the dictatorship of the proletariat within the diverse political forms it can take? What would be its essence despite its diverse forms? This is where the idea of a “new type of state” defended by Marx, Engels, Lenin and Mao is fundamental.
A “new type of state” requires a form of class domination for the dictatorship of the proletariat that distance itself from the bourgeoisie. This implies a state that “withers away as a state”, this implies a state where the masses as an overall general trend have more and more participation in decision making in the exercise of its dictatorship over the capitalist. The question of proletarian democracy is not a formal question. It is a substantial question because without it the dictatorship of the proletariat will inevitably degenerate into a multiple-party, a one-party or a one-leader state capitalist dictatorship. If the masses have their participation in decision making limited and constrained not as a temporary measure due to a military thread or a crisis, but as a permanent political form (like with the Stalinist state institutions formalized in the 1930s), the dictatorship of the proletariat will inevitably degenerate into a state capitalist dictatorship.
In order to achieve broad mass participation, the ONE PARTY-ONE STATE solution, as TNL has argued above, is over because “it has consistently led to the restoration of capitalism.” This is not a formalistic question about democracy. It is the essence of the dictatorship of the proletariat to have a political structure (despite its diverse political forms) where the masses of workers and peasants can exercise their power and dictatorship over the bourgeoisie by having a broad democratic direct participation in the processes of decision making. If the party, the central committee or one leader decides for all as a permanent structure of the state, we would be reproducing the essence of the old exploiters states where always someone else replaces and decides for the masses. The idea of “representation” is problematic here.
To justify the replacement of the masses in the processes of decision making under the dictatorship of the proletariat with the arguement that “the communist party ‘represents’ the best interest of the proletariat” is the seed of its degeneration into state capitalism. Under this ideology of “representation” the party ended up replacing the proletariat and the dictatorship of the proletariat looked more and more like the dictatorship of the party and, worst, the dictatorship of the top leaders of the party (the new state capitalist class). So, the “new type of state” under the dictatorship of the proletariat needs objective structures of workers broad democracy and power of decision-making in order to move forward and not degenerate into its opposite. There are exceptions to this rule, but those exceptions has to be temporary and not a permanent political structure like it happened in 20th century socialism. Mao’s cultural revolution was a major step in the right direction. However, it was defeated for many reasons we cannot begin to discuss in this space. Having said this, we have to admit that there is no guarantee that having a broad workers democracy will inevitably guarantee that the dictatorship of the proletariat will not degenerate into a state capitalist dictatorship. There are not guarantees in history! However, if there is a lesson of 20th century socialism is that without a broad workers democracy as a permanent political structure under the dictatorship of the proletariat the restoration of capitalism is guaranteed. In other words, a guarantee for the degeneration of socialism into state capitalism is to exercise dictatorship without proletarian democracy as a permanent political structure of the state. I think that in Mike’s discussion of Party-State form under the dictatorship of the proletariat and the Stalin era, there is an underestimation of this point.
Mike said:
I agree this is not Bhattarai’s position and I think this distinction came out very clearly in the article about Bhattarai.
The institutionalization of the political form of ONE PARTY-ONE STATE together with the eradication of direct workers democracy and mass participation in decision making processes was essential for consolidation of state capitalism in the Soviet Union and the transformation of the “new type of state” that the Soviets represented into a state capitalist machine.
This happened way before Kruschev! It happened during 1930s Stalinist reforms that expropriated the peasantry by force, solved contradictions among the people with mass repression and state terrorism, enslaved into coerced forms of labor millions of people for the fast industrialization of the country, increased the wage differences between managers and workers (party leaders and workers, administrative personal and low level service workers), restored the traditional capitalist military hierarchies that were eliminated from the Red Army, increased the power of the managers in factories over the workers, etc.
So, the restoration of capitalism is not only a problem of a PARTY-STATE political system, it was also all of the outlined policies. These were not only wrong ideas or bad ideas but concrete policies that responded to the interest of a new class in power different from the proletariat. This new class represented by the Stalinist elites were state capitalist in essence. There were many wrong political decisions and BAD IDEAS during the Stalin era that cannot simply be attributed to “objective conditions of the revolution,” like Mike is arguing about the 1930s PARTY-STATE system in the Soviet Union, and that led to the restoration of capitalism in the Soviet Union since the 1930s and not in the 1950s.
I know this requires a long analysis that is impossible to do in this space. But as Mike is expressing his assessment that capitalism was restored in the 1950s and not in the 1930s without a broad historical, materialist analysis (this space does not permit the possibility of doing this here), I am also expressing my own point of view also without a historical and materialist analysis to provide given the limits of this space. However, there are studies that has done this analysis and can be good sources for a profound study of 1930s Soviet Union. The evidence and the archival documents are already there to make a more updated and more profound judgement of 1930s Soviet Union than what Mao was able to do in the late 1950s.
Mao’s assessment of Stalin as “70 percent right, 30 percent wrong” in the late fifties is today an outdated balance given the amount of primary sources available today to make a more scientific judgement of this important period in world-history. In my view, Stalin was 80 percent wrong and 20 percent right. But the use of language such as “wrong ideas,” “errors” or “bad ideas” to talk about Stalin and his state capitalist regime is an euphemistic characterization because Stalin’s policies were not only wrong or bad ideas or errors but “crimes against humanity” that restored capitalism in the only existing socialist country at the time.
Mike E said
Rosa writes:
It is true that Rosa and I have some important differences of analysis. But Rosa is assuming here that my view is simply a re-assertion of mao’s 1963 analysis. However, I don’t think our stand on key political questions can simply be to return to and defend Mao’s analysis.
Althusser once wrote that Mao made the most profound available critique of the Stalin era. I think this is true. Mao didn’t just do so in his famous theoretical summations, but on the living canvas of the Chinese revolution.
At the same time, one divides into two — we now sum up Stalin not just (as Mao did) based on the communist experiences before 1960 or before 1970, but based on our current vantage point of fifty years later — which requires us to internalize the subsequent experience of restoration in China itself, the rich material of the Soviet archives, and the reconceptions that we are now struggling through internationally.
And I think the Nepali Maoists have made a contribution with their critique of the RCP on this:
The RCP has always consciously shied away from any deep analysis of the Stalin era. This was true in Red Papers 7, it was true in the 1983 Soviet Union debates, it is true now in the “Set the Record Straight” project.
There has never been a serious Maoist analysis of the 30s, including of the purges of the late 1930s. I tried to write one in the 1980s and was shut down by the RCP’s leadership. As a result, the RCP’s cadre simply don’t know what to say (or think) about those events — and so really, obviously, they can’t seriously speak to what happened to that revolution. Much is made of Avakian’s initial critiques of Stalin in Conquer the World (1981) — but looked at again we can see how partial, unfinished, tentative, cautious (and frankly dilettantist) that discussion was. There has never been more than a passing mention of rightward wind after the 1933 Congress of Victors, or the impact of the forced collectivization that preceded it. When the Soviet archives opened up, the RCP leadership was actively disinterested in learning from those materials in a materialist way — in fact repeated proposals to pursue such investigation were repeatedly suppressed and criticized as “the wrong line.”
And instead, as the Nepalis point out, the RCP’s analysis focused in a one-sided and metaphysical way only on the important leaps of the fifties and sixties (the changes that Krushchev brought, and the leap embodied in the Kosigin reforms of the 1960s).
And, as Rosa says, one symptom of this method is to focus (in a very strange way) simply on Mao’s important critique of Stalin’s metaphysics and rigid thinking. Yes, Stalin’s comintern injected a religiousity and dogmatism into communist thinking. There were “bad ideas.” But (as Rosa points out) to LIMIT our critique of Stalin to a critique of ideas is really to avoid the heart of the matter. Stalin was not just a thinker. Marxism was transformed into a uncritical and dogmatic state religion under Stalin — that is undeniable — but that is far from the main problem in that experience. Not when large parts of a generation of revolutionaries were turned into the calloused prison wardens and cynical police investigators, not when whole sections of the people and whole swathes of the countryside were driven by punishment and fear into numb silence and sullen submission.
And (it has to be said) the RCP’s critique of the Stalin era (however skittish and unsatisfying it was) was, in fact, not as conservative as some others among communists who have refused (to this day) to accept even those partial critiques of Stalin and that era.
As the Nepali Maoists say, we need to understand much more deeply the changes and shortcomings within the socialist period that then erupted as full-blown capitalist political forces and social relations. And clearly, they don’t think this is simply a matter of “bad ideas” — but of the whole structure of institutions and policies that harshly drove the masses of people away from political life and political power.
I think this restoration process has to be seen as a series of nodal points — a series of leaps and changes — some of them (inevitably) more decisive and final than others. The reasons that more people in the USSR and China did not (could not? did not want to?) rise up to defend socialism have to be excavated and understood deeply.
The Maoist algebra of 70/30 is something to understand (and if necessary, debate) — Rosa says here that she thinks it should be overthrown. But certainly that formulation cannot be (as it has been for too long and for too many) used a replacement for thinking and a real analysis. I don’t believe Mao’s intention in making his “pithy” summation(s) was to encourage an avoidance of the deeper questions. Too often among Maoists, a formula or verdict has been allowed to pass for the underlying analysis itself.
This whole experience of the 20th century still awaits a more-penetrating materialist analysis — and people expect that of us.
Censored said
My long quote from Lenin was directed specifically against the first paragraph of Mike’s post and does not imply anything about the remainder.
I particularly agree with the last paragraph on “repeated ‘changing of places’ of the two opposites, revolution and counterrevolution, restoration and counter-restoration”.
The last “gang of four” article in Peking Review by Pi Sheng (“we will win”) was written immediately before a counterrevolution and restoration in a period when the writing group must have known that was imminent. The title was Proletarians are Revolutionary Optimists and both the title and much of the contents could easily be misunderstood as complacent optimism. But the real message towards the end was similar to that in promotion of Mao’s poem with the line we’ll return amidst triumphant songs and laughter:
These issues are connected. The Nepalese revolution is still going through a bourgeois democratic sub-stage in a semi-feudal society. It is not, and cannot be a “pure revolution” But it is doing so in the 21st Century and may be able to avoid the one party states that characterized the earliest democratic revolutions such as Cromwell’s England and Jacobin France.
As for the idea that the proletariat of any modern capitalist society would put up with some sect proclaiming a one party state with a conception that those for socialism will line up for its “pure revolution” and those for imperialism will line up against it – that’s just bizarre. If anyone actually notices any such sects they will just laugh.
red road said
In opening this thread, Mike E says
There are some problems with the formulation “the replacement of class society by socialism and communism” but before getting into it, I’d like to make sure that Mike meant to say it in the way this is formulated.
Mike E said
I’m not sure what you are asking, red road.
Marxism had generally held that humanity has the potential to now replace class society with global classless communist society — through a period of socialist transition (which we have come to understand will be quite complex and protracted). Socialism has generally been understood as both an early stage of communism and itself a form of class society. And (as it said above) the discussion of capitalist restoration includes an investigation in the way the restorationist forces emerge from precisely that contradictory nature of socialism.
red road said
Simply this, Mike: Generally, Marxism has held that capitalist class society is replaced by proletarian class society–i.e., socialism, the dictatorship of the proletariat (a period of proletarian rule marked by intense class struggle). So the replacement of class society (of all class society, and of all classes) is by communism. of course, socialism’s tasks involve continuing class struggle and transforming society, supporting the international class struggle by supporting the revolutionary struggles everywhere, and enabling the emergence of classless society, ie, communism, worldwide.
My concern was that your formulation blurred the distinction between socialism and communism. This could, if not clarified, feed a mistake that many make, which I’m glad to see you do not share.
boris max said
Mike Ely wrote: “I think we should understand that ‘revolutions are like snowflakes’ — each one will be radically different in its presentation, and in its post revolutionary forms and so we should be very reluctant to quickly declare one form or another ‘universal,'”
Might be valuable for readers to revisit Althusser’s essay “Contradiction and Overdetermination” on this topic:
“. . . are we not always in exceptional situations? The failure of the 1849 Revolution in Germany was an exception, the failure in Paris in 1871 was an exception, the German Social-Democratic failure at the beginning of the twentieth century pending the chauvinist betrayal of 1914 was an exception . . . exceptions, but with respect to what? To nothing but the abstract, but comfortable and reassuring idea of a pure, simple ‘dialectical’ schema, which in its very simplicity seems to have retained a memory (or rediscovered the style) of the Hegelian model and its faith in the resolving ‘power’ of the abstract contradiction as such: in particular, the ‘beautiful’ contradiction between Capital and Labour. . . .
“. . . the Capital-Labour contradiction is never simple, but always specified by the historically concrete forms and circumstances in which it is exercised. It is specified by the forms of the superstructure (the State, the dominant ideology, religion, politically organized movements, and so on); specified by the internal and external historical situation which determines it on the one hand as a function of the national past (completed or ‘relapsed’ bourgeois revolution, feudal exploitation eliminated wholly, partially or not at all, local ‘customs’ specific national traditions, even the ‘etiquette’ of political struggles and behaviour, etc.), and on the other as functions of the existing world context (what dominates it — competition of capitalist nations, or ‘imperialist internationalism’, or competition within imperialism, etc.) . . .”
http://www.marx2mao.com/Other/FM65i.html#s3
Miles Ahead said
In a review by Prof. H. Reichman (“A Fading Tradition”), of Marcel van der Linden’s tome, Western Marxism and the Soviet Union: A Survey of Critical Theories and Debates since 1917, Reichman hits on some of the points that relate to Kasama’s discussion herein.
I would recommend people reading this review—if for no other reason, that it involves other sources, and clarifies differing political lines and programs, that are not mentioned in the above post. After reading the review, think there’s a lot more value in that than the actual book being reviewed.
http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=15765
Just lifting some teasers:
Patty Wagon said
There’s no need to “invent new ways.” The need is to reject the move AWAY from Soviet democracy presided over by Stalin and followed by Mao, et. al.
“Socialism has generally been understood as both an early stage of communism and itself a form of class society.” – Mike E
“Understood” by Stalin, Mao and their followers who falsely claimed “socialism” had already been achieved. Not Marx, Engels or Lenin.
“Socialism means the abolition of classes.” – Lenin, Economics and Politics in the Era of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.
Comrade Martin said
I’ve recently drawn an excellent comparison that may shed some light on why this entire document is wrong.
The Maoist specter of Revisionism differs not in the slightest with the Trotskyist explanation of Bureacratic Collectivism: both are insidious viruses that infect the poor, innocent Communist Party leadership who could otherwise be reflective of the needs of the people rather than their own interests as a collective of bureacrats/revisionists. In fact, Mao’s description of State Capitalism occuring in the USSR is synonymous with Hal Draper describing that same country as Bureacratic Collectivism. Their only disagreement is at what time the virus of Socialism took hold!
COMMUNISTS! If you’re out there, stop subscribing to any program that tells you to keep the fundamental premises of these self-described Socialist nations and never to question the material forces at work. They want you to believe ideas determine the course of revolutions and history, rather than material forces – in order to agree with Mike’s article, you must reject Communism. In order to be a Communist, we have to question the material objective realities, and this also means questioning Mike’s dogmatic idealism.
No more Mike to Mao: let’s start applying Marxism now.
Mike E said
Perhaps you should explain why you think that distinction is important to make. Because without that explanation, your comment sounds like a semantical complaint.
My understanding is that the early marxists talked about the ends of class society, but not so much about the transition to that abolition — because they did not anticipate a protracted transition. Now that we have a much sharper sense of the difficulty of overthrowing capitalism, and the protracted nature of the transitional period, it has made sense to discuss both communism and the transition-to-communism. And the word socialism has come to be associated with the transition to communism, as the first stage of communist revolution. And communism has come to be associated with the future global classless society at the end of that transition.
And we have had the experience of several attempts to take the socialist road, and build socialism — that have not yet (obviously) produced communist society.
that would explain why early marxists didn’t make that distinction consistently, but that later marxists do.
If you want to end that distinction (between communism and socialism) — perhaps you should explain why.
land said
I like this article. It is very thought-provoking.
One of many questions I had off reading it was:
“Revolutionary situations themselves decide what our polarization is, and we may not get one as favorable as we want – objective conditions may decide how strong our forces are, how broad our support, and tenacious the anti-socialist resistance, how isolated the revolution is internationally, how threatening outside military and covert operations are…and so on….”
So given this which I think is part of the snowflake analagy how can we can at this time do the best we can to gather the forces for this kind of future.?????
Including the future where we will have to hold on to state power in whatever form we get.
Nepal has many lessons around this.
marxistsocialist said
Hello all: I have a simple but hard question? Do you guys think that a socialist workers party can rise to power electorally in the USA, like in Venezuela or in Ecuador? Or do we have to wage a violent socialist-revolution in USA in order for a socialist workers party to rule in America?
Thanks
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Kamran Heiss said
I think this brings up some interesting points about the forms of the dictatorship of the proletariat. The Comintern through the 1930s assumed that the Soviet was the universal form- the CPGB published “For Soviet Britian”, Foster advocated a “United Soviet States of America”, and Mao was Chairman of the Soviet Republic of China. Foster even assumed that a join China-Russian Soviet Union would be created. It was only with the rise of fascism that the popular front emerged into the concept of the multiclass multiparty People’s democracy, which was advocated even in advanced nations like the UK and USA. However in some ways New Democracy or People’s Democracy, is no substitute for the smashing of the old state and the establishment of direct workers democracy through Soviets. The closest institution to Soviet attempted in a People’s Democracy was China’s People’s Communes, but Mao opposed ultraleftist attempts to make communes the basis of the Chinese state.
I suppose at this point in time I am not against People’s Democracy in principle as a transitional form to socialism, perhaps peacefully. However I do not agree that they are a substitute for Soviet power. Both the 1930s CPUSA and CPC found problems advocating using the word “soviet”. In the USA it sounded like turning the country over to Moscow, and in China warlords put up wanted posters for Mr.Soviet. But that is just a semantic issue. We could use the word council and have a different meaning than when Left-Communists use it. Or perhaps local or neighborhood governments could serve as a potential US variant.
marxistsocialist said
kamran: u are right soviet really means a government ruled b “workers councils” u know how dumb people are. And even if elements of Russia were introduced into USA, that would be good thing, we must unite the world, not divide it into races, ethnicities ec.
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Rosa L. said
Mike said;
I am glad this point got clarified. I was under the impression that this is where you were coming from…
Mike said:
We need to do this analysis. There is enough evidence out there to do a better assessment of Stalin’s 1930s Soviet Union than what Mao did in the late fifties. Moreover, there are secondary sources such as researchers and specialist that published books in the last decade based on the new evidence coming from the Soviet Archives that were briefly opened in the 1990s.
Mike said:
RCP’s and Avakian’s lack of scientific and serious analysis of the 1930s Soviet Union can be seen very clearly in the recent transcription of an interview Michael Slate did to Bob Avakian on Stalin where the latter said:
The logic of the argument here does not hold. The archives were opened after the demise of the Soviet Union. If the archives were opened as part of a manipulation to spread lies about Stalin and Stalin’s era, why did Putin ended up closing down the public access to the archives? Putin was a KGB Director and decided to close down the archives in order to forbid researchers to find out the secrets and truth about Soviet Union’s past history. This shows evidence that the archives were opened with free access to information and represented a thread to those that were implied in Soviet’s state secret operations and power. Moreover, researchers and specialist of diverse political views and agendas entered the archives and none accused the archival authorities of falsifying the documents. Specialist and social scientist, are not stupid not to know when the archives are falsifying the documents. To raise doubts about the declassification of Soviet secret documents found in the 1990s Soviet archives, as Avakian does, by using the logic of “if we did not believe the KGB before why should we believe what the secret declassify archival documents are saying” is like saying that if we do not believe CIA propaganda we should not believe what they say when their secret documents are declasified. This is not serious and shows a lack of scientific rigor. Take the case of the CIA coup against the democratically elected President Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala in the fifties. The CIA propaganda on 1954 military coup in Guatemala was always to deny their participation. We all knew this was false. But when the documents were declassified during the Clinton Administration in the 1990s, this declassified secret documents provided evidence that contradicted CIA propaganda. So, if we follow Avakian’s logic (that if we do not believe KGB propaganda before we should not believe KGB secret documents), then we should not believe neither CIA propaganda nor CIA secret documents when they are declassified. This is nonsense! It shows RCP’s and Avakian’s dismissal and lack of interest in doing a serious scientific historical research about the Stalin era which confirms Mike’s point above. We now know that many of the people incarcerated under the Gulags were forced to work under slave conditions and that this slave labor was fundamental for the rapid industrialization of the URSS in the 1930s. This is the same capitalist methods used by the imperialist/capitalist countries to industrialize in the 19th century. The imperialist countries relied on slavery in the colonies (the case of Britain, France, Holland, etc.) or slavery inside the country (the case of the USA) for their respective industrialization. The Stalin’s Soviet Union relied on similar methods. The victims of this Gulag system were national minorities, woman, peasants and dissidents inside the party. We now know this because of the release of the secret documents in the 1990s. The RCP “Setting the Record Straight” campaign avoids this kind of serious scientific research and is defensive about raising serious questions about Stalin’s 1930s Soviet Union. Instead, the RCP and Avakian opted for the obscurantist anti-scientific view that Soviet archives and the evidence it provides should be distrusted.
Mike said:
This is long overdue and without this analysis the credibility of a communist project in the 21st century is at stake.
Harsh Thakor said
The International Communist Movement has to staunchly defend the achievements and the line of Comrade Lenin,Stalin and Mao and defend the concept of the dictatorship of the Proletariat and the Leninist party concept like hammering a nail in the Coffin.Would the U.S S R have triumphed in the Great Patriotic War and saved the Socialist State with a Muti-party system?There was every possibility that the fascists would have triumphed.Socialist China may never have made it’s most remarkable tarnsformations with amuti-party system.Under Comrade Mao Socialist China made innovations in all walks of life unequaled in revolutionary democratic history.A multi-party system would have destroyed the superstructure of such a system.
We have to strongly combat the aura of the Personality cult that was built around Comrade Mao,dvelop more democratic forms of structure till alternative structures are created but multi-party system would lead to revisionism.In China the personality cult built around Comrade Mao,the left sectarian line and the eventual weakening of the revolutionary Commitees led to the defeat of the Socialistpath.In Russia the lack of democratic movements initiated from below by Comrade Stalin and his neglect of the superstructure led to the reversal.Today forces like the R.I.M are causing havoc by not defending the dictatorship of the proletariat and prematurely calling for the formation of a Communist International.