Mao & the Dunce Caps: Real Contradictions of Real Socialism
Posted by Mike E on July 15, 2009
We have been discussing the experience of socialism in the twentieth century, and focusing on matters of free speech and internal repression and their impact on the socialist road. Yesterday, we posted some revealing essays by Mao (here and here) — opposing arrest for reactionary views and execution for political opposition.
In response Jonathan Rochkind writes:
This conversation certainly makes Mao sound like a wise old man, practically libertarian in his outlook. I have to say I’m somewhat suspicious whether the actual practice in China under Mao matched the implication of this conversation though — whether or not it’s what Mao intended.
Jonathan then asks a question:
What do you guys who know more think? Was China under Mao (at one period or another?) actually the libertarian tolerant place that the Mao in this conversation described/recommended?
I think the short answer is a qualified no.
Socialist China was far more complex and contradictory than some simple extension of Mao’s views. And the 1970 interview we posted is itself evidence of how controversial Mao’s views actually were and remained — even at a time when he seemed to be at the height of power (and at a time where his pictures and quotes were everywhere in society).
It is not as if Mao was two-faced (saying one thing and doing another), but rather that it was a struggle. China was often far from following Mao’s approach — because of a very real ongoing fight over the direction of society and the very real power of opposing views. Those opposing views included classic Chinese Confucianism in governance dovetailing with inherited Stalin-era assumptions about socialist methods, plus the capitalist “modernization” views that run today’s China.
Mao was not some “great dictator” ruling a “totalitarian” society etc. as is claimed in crude anti-communist descriptions. On the contrary, Mao’s Red book was published because powerful conservative forces had effectively sidelined Mao and buried his writings in the late 50s and early 60s.
In 1970, Mao remarked to Edgar Snow (in a famous comment) that he felt had influenced some places around Beijing but had, in many ways, left much of Chinese society untouched. This was the kind of poetic statement Mao made to make a point — i.e. that his life had been an uphill struggle, and that he often felt like he was just starting to stir things up. [A side point: in that Edgar Snow exchange, Mao described himself as “I am a heshang dasan.” This was widely mis-translated, including in Life magazine, as “a lonely monk walking with a leaking umbrella” (a forlorn and despairing self-image). In fact Mao was referring to being “wufa wutian” — a monk without topknot or sky — i.e. someone without a handle on him the gods could grab. Mao was in fact describing himself an unrepentent and unrestrainable rebel — as a wandering monk without law or god.]
The important point here is (i believe) that Mao’s communist line was contending. It had great influence and an impact, it forced itself onto the center stage of Chinese and world politics over and over. But, in answer to Jonathan, I don’t think believe we should think it was hegemonic. (And here we are focusing momentarily on his views on speech and debate — but it applies also to his larger views on education, agriculture, internationalist support of revolution, wage differences, socialist planning, forms of military defense, ongoing revolution, etc.)
The excitement over Maoist China (then and now) was precisely that such deeply revolutionary views were contending. Society was never simply or mainly an embodiment of communist politics, this line was contending — from the street level to the heights of power — in a way that is truly world-historic. (And in a way that allows us to say that this was a socialist society overall, not a capitalist one.)
In regard to the struggle over ideas, here are examples of that influence of Mao’s line:
I think it is true that the Chinese Communist Party did not hold purges like the Soviet party (and that it is wrong to describe the Cultural revolution as “a purge.”) I think it is true that the Chinese communists overall held to their 1930s decision not to use execution as a means of inner party struggle. (Unlike the defeated in the Soviet Union, neither Liu Shaochi nor Deng Xiaoping were executed after their initial defeat in the Cultural Revolution, the same with their hundreds of thousands of co-thinkers, though some did die in confinement and some were reportedly beaten in in various ways). Political differences were not mainly resolved by police behind closed doors.
It also has to be said clearly that there was class struggle — including against KMT agents, local reactionaries, and party officials on the capitalist road. There was punishment for reactionary acts. (Mao is making a distinction between speech and reactionary acts like murder, assassination and rape.)
In the land reform in China, there were quite a few deaths of landlords — many many of whom had killed peasants, raped women, starved people to death, supported the white armies etc. So it not like Mao is putting forward some “libertarian tolerant place” where lion lies down with lamb. Mao was a revolutionary, leading a revolution.
He believed, as we quoted him saying:
“The suppression of counter-revolution still requires a long period of hard work. None of us may relax our efforts.”
And he was also not saying that reactionary speech and ideas should go unopposed — but that that they should be pulled into public view (allowed in that sense) — to be engaged, and drawn out, and in order that they may ultimately be defeated (in the sense that people broadly would come to understand and reject them.) He was urging the waging the class struggle over ideas in the realm of ideas (not in the realm of police criminalization).
Grappling for a Full Picture
I was recently reading an interview with someone from the small U.S. Maoist group RCP. There is an excerpt of the exchange:
Question: “What about democracy, though?”
Raymond Lotta: “….the socialist state guaranteed the rights of the masses. In China, during the Cultural Revolution, there was democracy for the masses on an unprecedented scale. Nowhere before or since did the masses not only have formal rights of free speech and press, etc., but actually use them on such a scale to examine and debate all aspects of political life. One well-known example is the widespread use of what were called “big-character posters” in the schools, factories, and other institutions where constant debate and struggle took place by posting large wall posters on every available surface. It was forbidden to tear down a big-character poster, and every institution was required to make materials—paper, paint, and brushes—freely available. The ability of the masses to hold meetings to criticize top party leaders, the freewheeling debates large and small… all of this was democracy on a scale not even imaginable in even the “most democratic” of capitalist states. The Cultural Revolution institutionalized what were called the “four bigs”—big character posters, big debates, big contending, and big blooming (of ideas). And if you think this was just cosmetic formality, the new capitalist rulers of China who came to power in 1976 understood that this was in the service of arousing and motivating the masses; they vilified and banned these practices.”
This description expresses one aspect of things in socialist China. The things listed here are true. They happened. And they were of great importance — because of their shocking novelty within the socialist experience. There certainly was a huge almost-riotous explosion of mass debate in the Cultural revolution — wall posters, criticism of powerful people, rebel views, etc.
This reflected a victory for Mao’s approach “to expose our dark side publicly and from below.” And his belief that people could learn and rule by engaging deeply with the controversies of socialist society.
But there is a tendency among communists to take the most positive experiences and present them (by implication) as the general experience. These things were true, in many places, at the hightide of the struggle, in the years of the late 60s when the cultural revolution was in its heyday. And that is important. But this is one slice of the political experience of socialist china. Where do we mention or contrast the other aspects?
One example: In the cultural revolution, rightist party officials were widely taken to mass meetings for denunciation and public humiliation. Sometimes they were forced to wear dunce caps, or have their heads shaved, or their faces painted with a big X. In one case Liu’s wife was forced to wear a slinky cocktail dress and a huge pearl-like necklace at a rally– publicly reenacting and mocking her non-revolutionary outfit worn on a foreign trip.
Mao opposed these methods (within the cultural revolution he had unleashed), but they were widely taken up — imitating the methods of peasants in land reform of cutting landlords down to size, speaking bitterness, and demonstrating how profoundly power relations had changed. Mao argued that it was one thing for peasants to do that after the guns of civil war had just stopped and the old society needed to be uprooted, but another thing for the Communist Party itself to adopt this as a method of struggle and criticism twenty years later.
And it is an example both of the contradictory experience of the cultural revolution, the limits of Mao’s control (even then), of the ways he fought to give things direction, and the fact that (on the ground) the struggle was often very different from what Mao was advocating.
Another example: In a post here on Kasama, Nuclear Fallout in Maoist China: What Does That Reveal?“, there is a discussion about radiation-caused cancers in western china during the Mao period, where it was noted that doctors saw an emerging epidemic but were preventing from blowing the whistle. The point was not just that nuclear testing damaged people (which is one issue), but that after the fact doctors were unable to raise a public alarm, unable to break through the silencing by their superiors…. and that this too says something about the norms of public debate and speech in socialist China.
Another example: I had repeated discussions over years with a publicly-known communist (who shall remain unnamed) who claimed (to my astonishment) not to know that China had prisons or that people could end up in those prison for political offenses. (Meet the stories of Kuai Dafu or Sidney Rittenberg.) This same comrade expressed shock at learning that large numbers of people had been executed in the USSR. While these gaps reveal a personal problem with critical thinking, they also reflect the summations that people within some communist movements have been fed — summations that sometimes highlight the most positive events (which are real) without a candid contextualizing or an honest accounting of the larger picture. And this contrasts sharply, of course, with what people generally are fed — which is the cartoonish anti-communist horror stories that equate communism with fascism.)
I think we can see, just by reading between the lines of Mao’s discussion with his student-age niece that his views here are rather shocking (even alien) to her… which suggests that his suggestions are far from the norm in China (and this was a discussion during the cultural revolution). There were clearly many instances where (as the niece’s remarks suggest) a simple reactionary remark (“Down with Mao!”) led to severe consequences.
Mao consistently held very radical views — from the beginning. He consistently fought for them. But there were many reasons (which we should explore and understand) that they were not simply a norm.
And what is the point of upholding socialist china, or of upholding Mao’s views, if that doesn’t emerged from a real assessment of what Mao was struggling against, and if we don’t acknowledge the complexity and diversity of what was going on?
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redflags said
Let’s unpack this word “liberatarian”.
Liberty, in common anglo-american usage refers specifically to control of property. In this key sense, liberty is the ability of property-holders to dispose of their property as they see fit, without “undue” regulation or state interference.
Think chattel. Or environmental laws or anything that would come between a Texas title holder and OUR common mineral resources.
Freedom of speech is a fascinating discussion when the vast majority of people are excluded from any meaningful imput. It’s pretty clear that liberals are quite fine with that arrangement so long as THEY have liberty, which is to say all the bourgeois rights they claim.
That said, I’m all for liberty in the sense of personal freedom of thought, conscience, religion (and lack thereof) and even, largely, for association. All non-commercial relations between consenting adults are pretty much their on affair and have little (and hopefully nothing) to do with the state.
State tyranny to expropriate mansions and finance capital? I’m all for it. Telling people how to tuck in their shirts? No thank you.
Andrei Mazenov said
I think it is good that we are addressing a fact that a lot of people- communist or capitalist- seem to be oblivious to: that the Cultural Revolution was not a monolithic movement that was under the direct control of Mao at all times and that all the Red Guard and rebel workers factions agreed with him or carried out his line (even if they proudly recited quotes from the Little Red Book and plastered the walls of their universities with dazibaos denouncing Liu and Deng).
This past spring, I took at Chinese & Japanese History course in which I had a wonderful professor who was not a Maoist but was overall sympathetic to Mao. He was quick to point out that Mao’s specific line or his personal wishes were NOT always in command during the GPCR, even among the revolutionary forces like the Gang of Four or among the rebel workers.
Andrei Mazenov said
I think it is good that we are addressing a fact that a lot of people- communist or capitalist- seem to be oblivious to: that the Cultural Revolution was not a monolithic movement that was under the direct control of Mao at all times and that all the Red Guard and rebel workers factions agreed with him or carried out his line (even if they proudly recited quotes from the Little Red Book and plastered the walls of their universities with dazibaos denouncing Liu and Deng).
This past spring, I took at Chinese & Japanese History course in which I had a wonderful professor who was not a Maoist but was overall sympathetic to Mao. He was quick to point out that Mao’s specific line or his personal wishes were NOT always in command during the GPCR, even among the revolutionary forces like the Gang of Four or among the rebel workers. At times, he said, Mao himself stood alone.
I think we need to look deeper into the Red Guard movement and what happened there: was it worth what happened? Should it have gone on longer? How could it have been done differently?
Interesting document here, by the way: http://www.wengewang.org/read.php?tid=21168
Yex said
Had been referred to this site by andrei some while ago, but never really checked it out until just now reading this article and some of those linked from it… after having been dissillusioned for quite some time with most communist/collectivist thinking and virtually all communist organizations/groupings/whathaveyou, I am impressed greatly by this site. I was quite ignorant to much of what is contained in this article. I think the mention of “classic Chinese Confucianism” is important; it would seem Mao’s thinking essentially communism contextualised in the basic truths that have always existed at the core of chinese buddhist/confuscist/taoist thought. No further comments now, save that I am excited to read more of the articles on this website.
Would that All your actions be restful, and all your rest active,
-Yex
Harsh Thakor said
The most important point is that any form of dissent has to be structured.Personally I feel freedom of expression should have been encouraged to a greater extent in Socialist China.There was a strong weakness of a Personality cult of Comrade Mao which was elevated by Lin Biao.The most fundamental question in this light is the differentiation of he dictatorship of the Proletariat with bourgeois democracy.What was tragic was that talented writers,musicians,poets etc were wrongly persecuted as powerful left sectarian tendencies prevailed.
However remember Mao’s China in that period was responsible for the most remarkable transformations in democratic revolutionary history.Remember the Shangai Peoples Commune,the Tachai brigade,the capture of he municipal headquarters.Revolutioanry Commitees iniated remarkable revolutionary innovatons.In Agriculture,education and health Socialist China inovated changes never witnessed in the history of mankind.Sadly towards the end the power of the Revolutionary Commitees weakened because the rightists became stronger.
It would be dangerous still to call for a multi-partysytem.Would that do justice to the line advocated by Chang Chun -Chiao and the remaining members of the Gang of 4?Infact it may wel have reversed the Socialist path .What has to be analysed is the relationship of the proletarian pary with the revolutionary Commitees and the mass organisations.What could be asked is whether it was a factional Struggle but there is no doubt that historically a staunch 2 -line struggle was waged agaisnt the capitalist Roaders by he folowers of he Socialist Path.True,there were factional tendencies and often clashes of personalities occured ,but remember it was the first experiment of it’s kind.What could be studied is how further democracy was given to the revolutionary Commitess and how even more dissent could be tolerated.However calling for open dissent as advocated by Co.Bob Avakian would destroy the base and superstructure of a Socialist Society.For this Socialist Societies have to inovate new democratic forms of Structure.A broader form of Strugle may have been created then where perhaps Comrade Mao was not the sole leader of the mass Movement.
Censored said
Its a side issue but I recall reading that the reference to monk with umbrella evokes “no hair, no sky” which is a homonym for “I obey no laws, human or heavenly (divine)” – this sort of pun is apparantly common in Chinese. Essentially the same meaning as described, but not derived from a topknot providing a handle. (Cannot vouch for this as I do not speak Chinese).
emil said
in what way is mao’s experience in china at all relevant for trying to build socialism in 1st world countries? maoism has not had any success at all in first world countries. what does that tell you?
Mike E said
Censored: I don’t speak Chinese either… so my remarks are second or third hand information. And your correction may certainly be correct.Insights by others who know more would be appreciated.
My remark was mainly to mention the widely disseminated (but mistaken) translation which portrayed Mao as a despairing “lonely monk wandering with a leaking umbrella.”
Tell No Lies said
Emil,
I think there are things about the Chinese revolutionary experience that are quite particular to China, others that have broader application in other poor mainly agrarian countries (or poor agrarian regions of industrializing countries like contemporary India), and still others that have more universal implications. Figuring out which is which is one of the challenges that confront us today in the US. I tend to think that a lot of the tactics of say the GPCR are pretty particular to Chinese political culture, but that the central insights of the theory of the mass line and of the continuation of class struggle under socialism are probably of pretty universal validity. No other revolution is going to give us a ready-made model for making revolution in the US. The best we can do is to study other experiences in order to enlarge our frames of reference and conceptual repertoires.
More specifically on the topic of this article I think we still need to ask to what degree were Mao’s more libertarian (and I use the term in its latin rather than anglo sense) utterances expressions of things that he deeply fought for and to what degree were they, in fact, at odds with his practice. It is fine and correct to insist that China was not simply a reflection of Mao’s views and that there was contestation, but I think it is also important to question what was and wasn’t seriously contested and how strongly. Like Badiou I am inclined to view the supression of the Shanghai Commune and the imposition of three-in-one committees as a profound reversal of the most radical tendencies in the GPCR which is not to say that there weren’t real contradictions in the Commune as well. I’ve always been profoundly suspicious of the simple characterization of the rise of Kruschev or Deng as “a coup” in ways that seem to discourage a critical excavation of the ways that their predecessors set the stage for the triumph of capitalist restoration.
Joseph Ball said
Has it occurred to anyone that it might be right to put capitalist roader leaders in dunce’s caps? When these people took over they imposed slavery and oppression on the working class and peasantry. Why on Earth should we be so concerned with the rights of oppressors and exploiters? Those who impose a life of humilation on others surely deserve a few hours of humiliation themselves.
Jonathan said
Thanks for your response Mike. What you say makes sense to me.
Redflags comment from the last post strikes me as well:
“With that in mind, communists should promote the power of people and their dignity, which requires freedom of conscience and speech – even and especially when it’s wrong.”
This is (part of) what I mean by ‘libertarian’. Now, these words can be taken in different ways. Consider “democracy”; I’ve heard many radicals say that we don’t even _want_ democracy, and it’s never been clear to me if they say this thinking ‘democracy’ is by definition bourgesois polling ‘fake’ democracy, or if they are truly opposed to the notion of democracy, which to me simply (but not so simple at all) means popular engaged collective decision making. I’m not willing to give up the notion of ‘democracy’, to me it seems, for instance, the goal of the cultural revolution as espoused by those who believe(d) in it as a positive thing.
Likewise, I’m not willing to give up liberty as a term or concept, believing it’s no more than a shorthand for the ‘rights’ of capitalist expropriation. No, of course ‘libertarian’ doesn’t mean the lion lying down with the lamb. Liberty and democracy both are something that have to be fought for, actual acts of counter-revolution and oppression need to be fought and defeated. Didn’t mean to imply otherwise by the tossed off phrase “libertarian tolerant place”.
But in the threads here, and in other discussions, we see varying views. There are some people who don’t believe China under Mao (or Mao himself) could possibly have done “such things”. But there are others who think those “such things” are in fact commendable and/or necessary. They scare me more. But Mike’s argument that revolution is inherently a complex struggle and we’re mistaken if we think we can expect (or see it in history) perfection or absolute unity in righteousness among revolutionary forces — of course, how could it be otherwise?
But the folks who don’t even think freedom of thought, concience and (as redflags puts it, quite right I think) ‘even largely’ of association — who don’t even think that’s something to struggle for in the first place — I’m not sure about their revolution.
Jonathan said
(Although I’d add that in my mind this is also connected with an earlier discussion here about… I can’t find it now. Some commune in China that Mao suppressed, believing that it needed to be controlled by the Party. Can anyone recall/find that thread? I’d like to review it/re-engage in it. It was a conversation in which I was kind of disagreeably confounded by what seemed to be the general consensus opinion expressed here.)